What Are You Doing Right Now
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
You could have just as easily done nothing for work all day at home assuming no calls came in... so Scott's claim that you send people home to work - meh. As many things - it's completely dependent upon the situation, and that can change daily.
You are using false logic. You CAN do zero work in either case, that's a given. But being at home makes people more productive in the real world. This is fact, you can't dispute it. It's a very, very well known fact that on average quite a bit more productivity happens at home than in an office (and that's before you account for things like commute time, stress, etc.)
You can also be shot in an office dispute. But obviously we don't mention that as it isn't relevant. Making people go to an office is not to get more work out of them, period.
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I put 7 down because 1) I was in front of my computer until 4:00 pm 2) i spent time taking care of my son as well which would equal 2 hours of the work day not worked.
- When did you start?
Started at 8:00
- Not relevant. They can't stop paying you when someone talks to you at the water cooler or you get distracted by work conversations. Those things happen at the office or at home, they are part of your work day. When in the office you get loads and loads of time that you can't answer the phone, get to emails, etc. It's just normal day.
That's fair.
So definitely an eight hour day. There has to be some kind of soft limit, like stepping away for half of the day and not being available is one thing, but being slightly unavailable for a short period of time is just normal work day stuff.
uh - what? He started at 8 AM, let's assume his stated lunch was from noon to 1 PM, and he closed the computer at 4 PM... that seems like 7 hours to me.
Am I missing something?
I think the issue is that he got docked an hour while working from home, but while in the office, he can dick around for that hour or more and still get paid for 8.
Not just can, but from his measurements, seems like he does (probably not intentionally.)
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
odd.. I work from home ; Get more done
Not odd, the entire industry has known for decades that you send people home to work, you bring them to the office for politics and to serve the egos of managers. Nearly everyone is way more productive at home. That's why nearly all good companies don't just allow it, they encourage it.
as that may be true: i was saying odd because of hours and how I have to put less hours on my time card because I worked from home.
Does this equate to less pay?
not hourly, but over all, Yes.
Wait a min - if you're not hourly - WTFC? the number you give them only matters if you pay is tied to it....
My hourly rate doesn't change.
Who ever said anything about the hourly rate? You pullin' a Dustin on me?
you asked if it effected my pay
I explained.WrCombs is right @Dashrender the way that you asked it required explanation. His hourly pay didn't change, his daily pay did.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
my overall pay for the day changes.
Something doesn't make sense here, either you're salary or hourly, or salary with overtime benefits (like in NY with many IT professionals).
Your rate can never go lower than your base hourly rate, say $20/hour for "missing an hour of work"
This is not New Guys - I'm Hourly .
have been since I started and will not go Salary until they make me.
The old boss had in the past mess with peoples rates for certain issues. add that to the list of why i want out of hereGotcha, so what did you mean when you said?
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
my overall pay for the day changes.
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
odd.. I work from home ; Get more done
Not odd, the entire industry has known for decades that you send people home to work, you bring them to the office for politics and to serve the egos of managers. Nearly everyone is way more productive at home. That's why nearly all good companies don't just allow it, they encourage it.
as that may be true: i was saying odd because of hours and how I have to put less hours on my time card because I worked from home.
Does this equate to less pay?
not hourly, but over all, Yes.
My hourly rate doesnt' change from xx.xx, My pay for the day would be an hour short making for less hours of the day affecting overall pay not the rate at which I am paid.
As it should be - you only worked 7 hours, not 8.....
8 AM to noon = 4 hours
1 PM to 4 PM = 3 hours
total hours = 7 hourswhere is my math wrong here?
thats what i said
OH - so... there's no problem here because you are being paid completely accurately.
So what the fuck are we talking about then? And if you say you've been shorted an hour - you better show me how you were shorted that hour compared to working the exact same time frame in the office vs home.
The way it was explained to me was only put what you actively worked IE on calls, working on projects etc. not the total time spent in front of the computer.
Then you should report them for employment fraud as that's absolutely blatantly illegal. 100% clear, no gray area, illegal. Employers cannot do that. If you are at work, you get paid. Period. The amount of wiggle room on that is zero.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
my overall pay for the day changes.
Something doesn't make sense here, either you're salary or hourly, or salary with overtime benefits (like in NY with many IT professionals).
Your rate can never go lower than your base hourly rate, say $20/hour for "missing an hour of work"
This is not New Guys - I'm Hourly .
have been since I started and will not go Salary until they make me.
The old boss had in the past mess with peoples rates for certain issues. add that to the list of why i want out of hereGotcha, so what did you mean when you said?
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
my overall pay for the day changes.
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
odd.. I work from home ; Get more done
Not odd, the entire industry has known for decades that you send people home to work, you bring them to the office for politics and to serve the egos of managers. Nearly everyone is way more productive at home. That's why nearly all good companies don't just allow it, they encourage it.
as that may be true: i was saying odd because of hours and how I have to put less hours on my time card because I worked from home.
Does this equate to less pay?
not hourly, but over all, Yes.
My hourly rate doesnt' change from xx.xx, My pay for the day would be an hour short making for less hours of the day affecting overall pay not the rate at which I am paid.
As it should be - you only worked 7 hours, not 8.....
8 AM to noon = 4 hours
1 PM to 4 PM = 3 hours
total hours = 7 hourswhere is my math wrong here?
thats what i said
OH - so... there's no problem here because you are being paid completely accurately.
So what the fuck are we talking about then? And if you say you've been shorted an hour - you better show me how you were shorted that hour compared to working the exact same time frame in the office vs home.
The way it was explained to me was only put what you actively worked IE on calls, working on projects etc. not the total time spent in front of the computer.
OK - but you said you spend 6.5 hours working on client calls - and .5 hours reading work email... that's 7 hours... Are you saying you're only going to be paid for 6.5 hours?
And all through lunch you think about work and right now you are talking about it, so that's all time working, too.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
my overall pay for the day changes.
Something doesn't make sense here, either you're salary or hourly, or salary with overtime benefits (like in NY with many IT professionals).
Your rate can never go lower than your base hourly rate, say $20/hour for "missing an hour of work"
This is not New Guys - I'm Hourly .
have been since I started and will not go Salary until they make me.
The old boss had in the past mess with peoples rates for certain issues. add that to the list of why i want out of hereGotcha, so what did you mean when you said?
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
my overall pay for the day changes.
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
odd.. I work from home ; Get more done
Not odd, the entire industry has known for decades that you send people home to work, you bring them to the office for politics and to serve the egos of managers. Nearly everyone is way more productive at home. That's why nearly all good companies don't just allow it, they encourage it.
as that may be true: i was saying odd because of hours and how I have to put less hours on my time card because I worked from home.
Does this equate to less pay?
not hourly, but over all, Yes.
My hourly rate doesnt' change from xx.xx, My pay for the day would be an hour short making for less hours of the day affecting overall pay not the rate at which I am paid.
As it should be - you only worked 7 hours, not 8.....
8 AM to noon = 4 hours
1 PM to 4 PM = 3 hours
total hours = 7 hourswhere is my math wrong here?
thats what i said
OH - so... there's no problem here because you are being paid completely accurately.
So what the fuck are we talking about then? And if you say you've been shorted an hour - you better show me how you were shorted that hour compared to working the exact same time frame in the office vs home.
The way it was explained to me was only put what you actively worked IE on calls, working on projects etc. not the total time spent in front of the computer.
OK - but you said you spend 6.5 hours working on client calls - and .5 hours reading work email... that's 7 hours... Are you saying you're only going to be paid for 6.5 hours?
Thats how I understand it
Your understanding makes your job far worse than any of us have understood it to be thus far. The upside is that you can now take any of their clients and they are powerless to stop you because you are being violated under slavery laws and are untouchable. All contracts with them are invalidated, there can be no concept like non-disclosure or non-compete because they aren't acting as legal employers.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
That's illegal, reading email is work. Someone has to do it so other things can be done.
In some places (not many), even being ABLE to read your email makes you billable for that time. That's why some employers are not cutting staff off from messaging and emails when the end of the day comes around so that it is impossible for them to claim to have decided to read emails when they shouldn't.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Lastly.
Find another job already. You're being taken advantage of.
working on it.
There HAS to be somewhere better than this. It's hard to believe that just about anything wouldn't be an improvement, and that there aren't places looking to hire. What do you feel is holding you back from finding something else? What limiting factors seem to be coming up? It's been a year now, at least, and you have already saturated the experience potential of the shop that you are in.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Lastly.
Find another job already. You're being taken advantage of.
working on it.
There HAS to be somewhere better than this. It's hard to believe that just about anything wouldn't be an improvement, and that there aren't places looking to hire. What do you feel is holding you back from finding something else? What limiting factors seem to be coming up? It's been a year now, at least, and you have already saturated the experience potential of the shop that you are in.
I've wondered this as well. Shit I had a headhunter call me on a resume that was 6 years out offering me a position.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Lastly.
Find another job already. You're being taken advantage of.
working on it.
There HAS to be somewhere better than this. It's hard to believe that just about anything wouldn't be an improvement, and that there aren't places looking to hire. What do you feel is holding you back from finding something else? What limiting factors seem to be coming up? It's been a year now, at least, and you have already saturated the experience potential of the shop that you are in.
I've wondered this as well. Shit I had a headhunter call me on a resume that was 6 years out offering me a position.
You are in NY though. Nebraska is a completely shit market. But this seems impossibly bad. He's obviously way more qualified than all the people he's working with as a starting point!
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@scottalanmiller still, is there only 1 employer in Nebraska?
I really think WRCombs is simply failing at these interviews if he's not actually looking and applying.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
odd.. I work from home ; Get more done
Not odd, the entire industry has known for decades that you send people home to work, you bring them to the office for politics and to serve the egos of managers. Nearly everyone is way more productive at home. That's why nearly all good companies don't just allow it, they encourage it.
as that may be true: i was saying odd because of hours and how I have to put less hours on my time card because I worked from home.
you have to put less hours on your card because you work at home? Did I miss something?
I can only put what "work I did" so basically Billable hours only.
Assuming you knew that before you worked from home, why the he’ll would you have done anything except that.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
odd.. I work from home ; Get more done
Not odd, the entire industry has known for decades that you send people home to work, you bring them to the office for politics and to serve the egos of managers. Nearly everyone is way more productive at home. That's why nearly all good companies don't just allow it, they encourage it.
as that may be true: i was saying odd because of hours and how I have to put less hours on my time card because I worked from home.
you have to put less hours on your card because you work at home? Did I miss something?
I can only put what "work I did" so basically Billable hours only.
I think this is the problem. "Work You Did" and "Billable Hours" can't be the same. There is work time that isn't billable to a customer (unless they are faking hours.) So if you only put the billable hours, there is an issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
odd.. I work from home ; Get more done
Not odd, the entire industry has known for decades that you send people home to work, you bring them to the office for politics and to serve the egos of managers. Nearly everyone is way more productive at home. That's why nearly all good companies don't just allow it, they encourage it.
as that may be true: i was saying odd because of hours and how I have to put less hours on my time card because I worked from home.
you have to put less hours on your card because you work at home? Did I miss something?
I can only put what "work I did" so basically Billable hours only.
I think this is the problem. "Work You Did" and "Billable Hours" can't be the same. There is work time that isn't billable to a customer (unless they are faking hours.) So if you only put the billable hours, there is an issue.
Biggest problem here is @WrCombs not knowing shit about what his talking about and mixing terms up all over the place.
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^ tl;dr
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
odd.. I work from home ; Get more done
Not odd, the entire industry has known for decades that you send people home to work, you bring them to the office for politics and to serve the egos of managers. Nearly everyone is way more productive at home. That's why nearly all good companies don't just allow it, they encourage it.
as that may be true: i was saying odd because of hours and how I have to put less hours on my time card because I worked from home.
Does this equate to less pay?
not hourly, but over all, Yes.
Wait a min - if you're not hourly - WTFC? the number you give them only matters if you pay is tied to it....
My hourly rate doesn't change.
Who ever said anything about the hourly rate? You pullin' a Dustin on me?
you asked if it effected my pay
I explained.WrCombs is right @Dashrender the way that you asked it required explanation. His hourly pay didn't change, his daily pay did.
yeah sure - I would only mean his daily pay, who would ever expect his hourly to change? certainly not me..
I asked - does this equate to less pay (in regards to this exact situation - was implied) and he answered - not hourly, but over all, yes - but that's not true.
If we assume his normal hours are 8-5 with a 1 hour lunch, he'd get paid for 8 hours.
In this case he's claiming that he's getting paid less because he's home and worked 8-4 with a 1 hour lunch... Well since he's hourly - there would be no difference between being at work and working or being home and working - he only worked 7 hours, so he gets paid 7 hours.Now - all that said - he did further break that down into 6.5 billable and .5 to corporate email... now the question is - is the company going to try to say they don't have to pay him for that .5 for reading corporate email - which of course we know legally they can't do.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
That's illegal, reading email is work. Someone has to do it so other things can be done.
In some places (not many), even being ABLE to read your email makes you billable for that time. That's why some employers are not cutting staff off from messaging and emails when the end of the day comes around so that it is impossible for them to claim to have decided to read emails when they shouldn't.
This is kinda a big thing for my boss - she doesn't want non salaried personal to have remote access to email to prevent anyone claiming they were working during non work designated times.
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@Dashrender Even a salaried employee can be capable of overtime hours (you yourself are likely one).
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender Even a salaried employee can be capable of overtime hours (you yourself are likely one).
Sure, but OT is a different discussion.
As for me - you're possibly right - but the idea of trading in always punching a clock for the possible little bit of OT, not worth it to me. Plus I can get comp time when I work more than normal, I'm happy with my situation.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller still, is there only 1 employer in Nebraska?
I really think WRCombs is simply failing at these interviews if he's not actually looking and applying.
No many jobs have sent me rejection emails ; Going a different way, not qualified.
Not failing at interviews, not even getting in the door.
