@scottalanmiller said in Proxmox hates security:

@Pete-S said in Proxmox hates security:

@scottalanmiller said in Proxmox hates security:

@Pete-S said in Proxmox hates security:

I'm not saying Proxmox is insecure, I'm just saying it wasn't designed with security as it's primary focus.
KVM by default for instance is managed by libvirt and by default doesn't open any tcp ports at all. That gives the administrator the option to decide what level of security versus convenience they want.

Ignoring "by default" in that, ProxMox can be the same. You can close everything up and only manage however you like. You don't have to use the web interface on it, it can be totally shut down. Obviously defeating lots of the purpose, but plausible.

I spend far more time on ProxMox via command line via MeshCentral than via the web interface and the web interface, while we don't lock it down from the LAN in most cases (we run a LOT of ProxMox these days) we primarily access it from the PM host itself from a jump box running on top of it for the cases when the web interface is needed. So while we don't go to the degree of locking it off from the LAN, we could and we wouldn't notice the difference most of the time.

That's not a default, so obviously totally different. But it's a really simple setting.

That's good to know.

We don't use gui anymore either but we're moving away from pre-packaged hypervisors and to pure KVM with libvirt compatible management tools.

We have found that to be the best solution for our use case (high degree of automation and customization).

I'd like to see that for sure. There's a lot of benefit to that, potentially at least.

We're automating a lot.

But the real problem is not the automation itself. The real problem is that automation and standardization is time consuming.

@scottalanmiller said in SAMIT: Stop Using Secure Email:

@JaredBusch said in SAMIT: Stop Using Secure Email:

Also, accepting insecure email is different than allowing your organization to send insecure email.

Very true. Accepting things insecurely is better than sending them.

I accept email in any way that it is sent. But all sent email is required to be TLS or it will not send. I have a couple of people that the boss cannot email because of it, as well as one prior customer that is still running an ancient ass GroupWise 6 email server. They email asking for one off support for their routers sometimes.

Tested and it works all the time by hostname instead of IP.

@gjacobse said in ManageEngine: Desktop Central - MFA:

@scottalanmiller

It is a gas soaked bonfire waiting for a match.

Fixed that for you.

@stacksofplates said in Experience with NDR Solutions:

Why is Sally accessing this service from a non work computer at 3 am her time with a chinese IP address? Sure this request has the password but that doesn't sound valid.

Which means you can automatically perform additional validation with MFA, or straight up deny access.

There's a lot of options really. You can only allow access to certain systems and/or services via company devices enrolled in MDM, with up to date OS, encryption, and endpoint protection. You can verify endpoints and users with passwordless auth via Beyond Identity and in certain cases use additional MFA via Duo or whatever you want to set up.

Sally is trying to log in to her company email. She's authenticated via passwordless auth via Beyond Identity on her work computer. Her work computer passes the health check seamlessly through BYID and allows her to access her email. Maybe she's also prompted for MFA always, or maybe only if she's logging in outside her normal geographic area on her work computer. Maybe (e.g. email) access is denied totally if from a non-company device. Options...

@JaredBusch Yup, and they want to do a audit of devices using a deployment tool that is not even a Microsoft one.

@Dashrender said in Zoho Mail has new secure sending option:

@Pete-S said in Zoho Mail has new secure sending option:

@Dashrender Good to know.

One purpose of the OTP is that you can't forward the email and have another person read it.

Not directly forward - sure, but you could screen shot it and forward that to someone.

I assume the OTP is more so that people don't have to create accounts in the Zoho system.

It looks like Zoho had the forwarding thing specifically in mind since they mentioned that on their website. A lot of people will forward messages without thinking about the sensitive information that is usually longer down in the mail. I've seen that a lot when I get emails forwarded to me with information that is clearly not intended for me.

In the MS system you have to create an account, same goes for Zix, even if you will only ever read this one message on that system.

Yeah, I hate that. It's just to get more users. I love OTP though.

I'll have to check how these secure feature works with sending huge mail attachments as well. Haven't tried it yet.

@dafyre Connection closed by foreign host after a couple seconds lol

@fredtx This is really GoDaddy breached. That they were running WordPress is kind of an aside.

@scottalanmiller said in Technologies Begging to be Ransomwared:

@dashrender said in Technologies Begging to be Ransomwared:

FYI - my experience in all of this is through the use of shares - so if shares aren't enabled.. then I'm guessing you're probably correct due to configuration.

Shares aren't on by default. But even when they are, nothing is shared out that a local non-admin user could access.

Yeah, and this is ultimately what saves you - OK now we're on the same page.

Thanks

@JaredBusch Did you ever find a product that you liked for this?

I am looking for 1 PoE outdoor camera for the front of my house. I ran the Cat6 line years ago and I just need to buy the camera now.