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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch @nadnerB
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      Azure is blue, so we can say they did. Even if they did it thinking azure sky.

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        gjacobse @scottalanmiller
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        @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

        Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

        Selling my house and cars and everything was the best feeling ever for sure.

        But didn't you sell the house just to buy a .... larger residence?

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        • PhlipElderP
          PhlipElder @EddieJennings
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          @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

          Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

          Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

          But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

          The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

          And yes, it is a good feeling.

          We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

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          • EddieJenningsE
            EddieJennings @PhlipElder
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            @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

            @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

            Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

            Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

            But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

            The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

            And yes, it is a good feeling.

            We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

            My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

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            • ObsolesceO
              Obsolesce @EddieJennings
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              @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

              @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

              @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

              Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

              Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

              But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

              The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

              And yes, it is a good feeling.

              We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

              My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

              @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

              @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

              @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

              Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

              Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

              But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

              The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

              And yes, it is a good feeling.

              We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

              My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

              Make sure you plan appropriately...
              Below is best case IMO.
              I'd aim to put enough away to have $3M+ minimum by 2053.

              8c087349-ee47-48ef-bf5f-eafee0952785-image.png

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                krzykat @Obsolesce
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                @obsolesce I've been investing a bit in rental real-estate. I call it my triple play:

                1. Hedge against inflation
                2. Life insurance policy
                3. Retirement plan
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                • gjacobseG
                  gjacobse @Obsolesce
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                  @obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                  @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                  @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                  @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                  Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                  Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                  But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                  The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                  And yes, it is a good feeling.

                  We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                  My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                  @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                  @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                  @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                  Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                  Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                  But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                  The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                  And yes, it is a good feeling.

                  We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                  My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                  Make sure you plan appropriately...
                  Below is best case IMO.
                  I'd aim to put enough away to have $3M+ minimum by 2053.

                  8c087349-ee47-48ef-bf5f-eafee0952785-image.png

                  Jeez - Guess I'll just cancel the install of fiber and just have them install my ashes in a server so I can keep working. My god..

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                  • RojoLocoR
                    RojoLoco @krzykat
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                    @krzykat said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                    @obsolesce I've been investing a bit in rental real-estate. I call it my triple play:

                    1. Hedge against inflation
                    2. Life insurance policy
                    3. Retirement plan

                    Every house for sale around here gets snatched up by companies for rental property. Quick lipstick reno, $2k a month for a 3/2. Which is why my house has doubled in value in 6 years of ownership. My neighbor turned down a cash offer (as is, no inspection) of nearly 300k, probably triple what he paid 12 years ago.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @krzykat
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                      @krzykat said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                      @obsolesce I've been investing a bit in rental real-estate. I call it my triple play:

                      1. Hedge against inflation
                      2. Life insurance policy
                      3. Retirement plan

                      Yeah, this is what I want to get into myself... planning on changing my 401K contribution to get max match from employer, then take the rest and buy realestate

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @RojoLoco
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                        @rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                        @krzykat said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                        @obsolesce I've been investing a bit in rental real-estate. I call it my triple play:

                        1. Hedge against inflation
                        2. Life insurance policy
                        3. Retirement plan

                        Every house for sale around here gets snatched up by companies for rental property. Quick lipstick reno, $2k a month for a 3/2. Which is why my house has doubled in value in 6 years of ownership. My neighbor turned down a cash offer (as is, no inspection) of nearly 300k, probably triple what he paid 12 years ago.

                        What I want to know is - if people can afford those rental prices - why not just buy?

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                        • RojoLocoR
                          RojoLoco @Dashrender
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                          @dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                          @rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                          @krzykat said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                          @obsolesce I've been investing a bit in rental real-estate. I call it my triple play:

                          1. Hedge against inflation
                          2. Life insurance policy
                          3. Retirement plan

                          Every house for sale around here gets snatched up by companies for rental property. Quick lipstick reno, $2k a month for a 3/2. Which is why my house has doubled in value in 6 years of ownership. My neighbor turned down a cash offer (as is, no inspection) of nearly 300k, probably triple what he paid 12 years ago.

                          What I want to know is - if people can afford those rental prices - why not just buy?

                          Bad credit. And general jackassery, like the tweaker neighbors that were screaming and fighting in the driveway last night... Which brought 3 cop cars this morning, which is NEVER seen in our neighborhood.

                          Fucking renters.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @RojoLoco
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                            @rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                            @dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                            @rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                            @krzykat said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                            @obsolesce I've been investing a bit in rental real-estate. I call it my triple play:

                            1. Hedge against inflation
                            2. Life insurance policy
                            3. Retirement plan

                            Every house for sale around here gets snatched up by companies for rental property. Quick lipstick reno, $2k a month for a 3/2. Which is why my house has doubled in value in 6 years of ownership. My neighbor turned down a cash offer (as is, no inspection) of nearly 300k, probably triple what he paid 12 years ago.

                            What I want to know is - if people can afford those rental prices - why not just buy?

                            Bad credit. And general jackassery, like the tweaker neighbors that were screaming and fighting in the driveway last night... Which brought 3 cop cars this morning, which is NEVER seen in our neighborhood.

                            Fucking renters.

                            yeah - but do you really want to rent to those people? I suppose if you demand 4 months rent as security deposit AND first and last month rent. AND you have fucking OMG awesome landlord insurance.

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                            • PhlipElderP
                              PhlipElder @EddieJennings
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                              @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                              @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                              @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                              Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                              Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                              But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                              The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                              And yes, it is a good feeling.

                              We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                              My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                              With the MSP revolution a number of years ago, a decade or more even?, we presented proposals to all of our clients. Since they are mostly accounting firms they didn't go for the full meal deal (OpEx versus CapEx) but did opt in for a blended approach.

                              Residual Income (Rich Dad, Poor Dad kind of stuff though I've never read the book(s) but had buddies around me into Silver Bullets preach to me) is the key.

                              It kept us going when I was incapacitated after an auto accident in 2016.

                              So, start there.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @PhlipElder
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                                @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                                Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                                But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                                The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                                And yes, it is a good feeling.

                                We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                                My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                                With the MSP revolution a number of years ago, a decade or more even?, we presented proposals to all of our clients. Since they are mostly accounting firms they didn't go for the full meal deal (OpEx versus CapEx) but did opt in for a blended approach.

                                Residual Income (Rich Dad, Poor Dad kind of stuff though I've never read the book(s) but had buddies around me into Silver Bullets preach to me) is the key.

                                It kept us going when I was incapacitated after an auto accident in 2016.

                                So, start there.

                                I assume that's the same as passive income?

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                                • PhlipElderP
                                  PhlipElder @Dashrender
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                                  @dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                  @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                  @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                  @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                  @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                  Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                                  Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                                  But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                                  The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                                  And yes, it is a good feeling.

                                  We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                                  My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                                  With the MSP revolution a number of years ago, a decade or more even?, we presented proposals to all of our clients. Since they are mostly accounting firms they didn't go for the full meal deal (OpEx versus CapEx) but did opt in for a blended approach.

                                  Residual Income (Rich Dad, Poor Dad kind of stuff though I've never read the book(s) but had buddies around me into Silver Bullets preach to me) is the key.

                                  It kept us going when I was incapacitated after an auto accident in 2016.

                                  So, start there.

                                  I assume that's the same as passive income?

                                  Yes.

                                  Residual Income is the same as Passive income.

                                  Income that is not being actively produced.

                                  EDIT: Another Example: Residual income would be the incoming fees from Tier 1 Cloud for all of the subscriptions we manage.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @PhlipElder
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                                    @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                    @dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                    @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                    @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                    @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                    @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                    Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                                    Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                                    But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                                    The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                                    And yes, it is a good feeling.

                                    We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                                    My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                                    With the MSP revolution a number of years ago, a decade or more even?, we presented proposals to all of our clients. Since they are mostly accounting firms they didn't go for the full meal deal (OpEx versus CapEx) but did opt in for a blended approach.

                                    Residual Income (Rich Dad, Poor Dad kind of stuff though I've never read the book(s) but had buddies around me into Silver Bullets preach to me) is the key.

                                    It kept us going when I was incapacitated after an auto accident in 2016.

                                    So, start there.

                                    I assume that's the same as passive income?

                                    Yes.

                                    Residual Income is the same as Passive income.

                                    Income that is not being actively produced.

                                    EDIT: Another Example: Residual income would be the incoming fees from Tier 1 Cloud for all of the subscriptions we manage.

                                    yeah, this is why I want to get into rental properties...

                                    Sure I could try to save up a ton of money and live off the gains in the market.. but realestate seems safer in the long run.

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                                    • PhlipElderP
                                      PhlipElder @Dashrender
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                                      @dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                      @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                      @dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                      @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                      @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                      @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                      @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                      Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                                      Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                                      But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                                      The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                                      And yes, it is a good feeling.

                                      We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                                      My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                                      With the MSP revolution a number of years ago, a decade or more even?, we presented proposals to all of our clients. Since they are mostly accounting firms they didn't go for the full meal deal (OpEx versus CapEx) but did opt in for a blended approach.

                                      Residual Income (Rich Dad, Poor Dad kind of stuff though I've never read the book(s) but had buddies around me into Silver Bullets preach to me) is the key.

                                      It kept us going when I was incapacitated after an auto accident in 2016.

                                      So, start there.

                                      I assume that's the same as passive income?

                                      Yes.

                                      Residual Income is the same as Passive income.

                                      Income that is not being actively produced.

                                      EDIT: Another Example: Residual income would be the incoming fees from Tier 1 Cloud for all of the subscriptions we manage.

                                      yeah, this is why I want to get into rental properties...

                                      Sure I could try to save up a ton of money and live off the gains in the market.. but realestate seems safer in the long run.

                                      Rental properties are a tough one. The neighbourhoods where our shop is has some really nice ones. But, to get into that tier one has to fork out some serious coin.

                                      Inflationary signs. Slipping economy numbers. Plenty of markets have plateaued or even starting to slip price wise.

                                      Out here, the rural properties are going for $10K an acre around us bare land. In the cities, a condo can be had for way below asking.

                                      It's all in knowing where to put the money when it comes to real estate.

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                                      • PhlipElderP
                                        PhlipElder @Obsolesce
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                                        @obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                        @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                        @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                        @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                        Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                                        Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                                        But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                                        The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                                        And yes, it is a good feeling.

                                        We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                                        My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                                        @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                        @phlipelder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                        @eddiejennings said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

                                        Small victories in life are often the sweetest! As of about 10 AM today, I paid off my car loan. The taste of freedom being being debt-free is so nice. 😄

                                        Both our vehicles were paid off this summer. We've been eyeing the idea of purchasing a 3500 series diesel for a 5th wheel trailer.

                                        But I ain't gonna pay $85K+ for a truck.

                                        The used vehicle market up here is nuts right now. Any truck for sale doesn't get below 70% of retail unless it's a wreck.

                                        And yes, it is a good feeling.

                                        We're putting the extra cash flow into fun things with the fam.

                                        My next goal is building some general savings. I'm putting a good bit away for retirement, but I need to increase my more liquid savings that's easily accessible in case of hardship.

                                        Make sure you plan appropriately...
                                        Below is best case IMO.
                                        I'd aim to put enough away to have $3M+ minimum by 2053.

                                        8c087349-ee47-48ef-bf5f-eafee0952785-image.png

                                        Inflation is driven by the amount of fiat currency printed by a central bank.

                                        It's actually in the banker's best interest, no pun intended, to keep printing that money.

                                        It's why a $35K truck two decades ago is now $65K.

                                        Real estate is somewhat resistant to this, but the catch is that the market bubble always busts bursts. Knowing the signs is key.

                                        My Gram taught me a lot about real estate as she was a speculator's manager in Shanghai (Yeah, China before Mao).

                                        We've done well since our first purchase in the middle 2000s before the bubble burst in '08.

                                        The crazy amount of money being printed over the last year has wiped out any gains we had on our current property though the rush out of the city has helped to keep the price propped up.

                                        Know the signs. 😉

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                                          krzykat @Dashrender
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                                          @dashrender Look at your generational wealthy families. Doesn't matter if they made their money bootlegging, oil, etc ... the generational money is from real-estate. Between interest rates being so low and the tax code made for the wealthy (which I hate), you get to depreciate your rental property. It's almost free money if you can get it. I'm a very fiscally conservative person and own my rentals free and clear, but I am thinking to get notes on them so I can multiply my investments. My formula has been to get single family homes or townhomes on the cheap - foreclosure or tax deed auctions. Then I fix them up so they're nice. Then I get to charge a higher dollar, be pickier on who my tenants are, and have fewer issues with maintenance. I don't like to do the grunt work, I'm too busy running my VoIP company, so the best thing you can have is a good rolodex. Have a couple good Plumbers, Handymen, Electricians, and A/C guy. My next goal with these ridiculously high housing prices is to refi my home, and then get a HELOC. That gives you access to cash anytime you need, so you can shop the auctions, buy a propery, fix it up, rent it out, then 6 months later get a mortgage on it and then pay back the HELOC.

                                          My favorite property - I bought my first townhouse in 2014 for $55K - probably put 5K into it and now rent is all the way up to $1700 / month.

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