@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I wonder if a cached credential is required.

@PhlipElder have you logged into this VM as [email protected] before?

Yeah, I log on using the Hyper-V Console. PITA that as I can't use Enhanced Session Mode since that is riding on RDP too.

Just tried with the account in the local administrators group and same result.

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

Yes that has to be included.

The error messages says something about the credentials, so no idea. Does it work if you add it to the local Administrators group?

Other than that, I'm not doing anything different and it works with any AAD account on any AAD device, so I've not had to troubleshoot it.

Nope.

@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

Not sure if this will work but include AzureAD\ has part of your username.

Tried that among other permutations.

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

What's the exact command you used, because it works for me.

Nope.

@black3dynamite said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

For standalone non-domain, isn't it MicrosoftAccount\UserName is that only for personal Microsoft account only?

Not in this case. No permutation worked.

I have the VM and the AAD account on my desktop here. I'll try again. Let's see if it works...

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

Yes [email protected].

On a device that is joined to AAD, try adding AzureAD\[email protected] like this:

net localgroup Administrators AzureAD\[email protected] /add

Otherwise something is misconfigured in AAD. There are a lot of variables in this.

I ran the gamut of trying to get it to work both in CompMgmt.msc and CMD.

AAD is vanilla. No changes.

@Obsolesce said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

You can RDP into an AAD joined Win10 PC with an AAD account. I do it all the time.

Perhaps that account isn't added to the local Administrators group, or the one that allows RDP.

Log on process?

Domain\UserName & Password

or

[email protected] AAD account?

For standalone non-domain joined OS VMs/PCs [email protected] AAD does not work.

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

G00g is crap. Plain and simple. No competition with Microsoft Office and O365. None.

I'd agree that Google's product line is crap. But it's actually pretty competitive with O365. Very much so. Both are generally awful. But MS does try to force. They use extremely confusing tactics and make end users think that payment is required.

I've had them literally force products onto my desktop while I was watching. Force is absolutely a correct word.

We have worked with companies that could not run their Excel spreadsheets in the G00g's version. It was just too painful. There's lots of advanced features businesses use in Excel that are not there in the other offerings including Open Source.

There are enough examples out there, I can't remember the German city's name that comes to mind, that have tried really, really hard to shuck Microsoft. They came back. It was just too painful to try and make a run at it.

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

protect them from what?

Predatory sales tactics. Microsoft is trying to force more services on them.

"Force" ?

Uh, no. No one has to open their wallet to anyone.

If there is value in what Microsoft may be advertising or suggesting once the user logs in then all the power to them. The user opens their wallet and voluntarily pays.

OneDrive personal is free and comes with a built-in encrypted vault now. They bumped the default storage up to 100GB or 75GB which is more than enough for folks to back up their critical stuff.

Most folks will pay the $9 or whatever per month for O365 and get that integration too. Then their OneDrive hits 1TB and they get Microsoft Office.

G00g is crap. Plain and simple. No competition with Microsoft Office and O365. None.

We're working with a number of clients that have the full O365 Single Sign-On (SSO) setup in place and it's sweet. Multi Factor Authentication makes it even better with an app instead of a text. They've got a good thing going there.

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:

I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.

I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?

If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.

Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.

Interesting - didn't know that.

So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?

Has to be the local account or domain user account to log on via RDP. [email protected] does not work.