VM Suggestions? Best Practice?
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@PhlipElder said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@PhlipElder said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Hyper-v is built-in to the Windows Desktop operating system. It's there, so why not use it?
It isn't built in, it's available to be installed to the hardware and lift the Windows environment up to a Dom0 status.
Different and not at all the same as "built in".
In my mind it is built-in as it's available for use once it's installed without having to head out somewhere to download something for the install. The changes made to the host OS are beside
sthe point IMNSHO.It's built in to the install and package. Just like LibreOffice is built in to Fedora. It's not part of the OS proper, and not included by default, but is ready to go and doesn't require anything else.
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
OK - so you have some experience - what makes it smoother?
It's smoother because it puts Windows into the Dom0 and gives it heightened access. Same way that the base Fedora install with KVM is smoother than one of the guest Vms.
OK that explains Dom0,
So now I ask - are the other Windows VMs basically the same on KVM vs Hyper-V?
A guest is a guest. Are you asking if Windows on KVM acts like Windows with Hyper-V and a dom0 Windows?
Scott says Dom0 gets priority over other VMs - so no, a guest is not a guest, assuming he's right.
Don't mistaken heightened with priority.
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@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
OK - so you have some experience - what makes it smoother?
It's smoother because it puts Windows into the Dom0 and gives it heightened access. Same way that the base Fedora install with KVM is smoother than one of the guest Vms.
OK that explains Dom0,
So now I ask - are the other Windows VMs basically the same on KVM vs Hyper-V?
A guest is a guest. Are you asking if Windows on KVM acts like Windows with Hyper-V and a dom0 Windows?
Scott says Dom0 gets priority over other VMs - so no, a guest is not a guest, assuming he's right.
Don't mistaken heightened with priority.
I feel a piano intro coming on...
"a guest is not a guest, a sigh is just a sigh..." -
Let's consider a totally different option...
Install MeshCentral at work on your work desktop, and then use Linux (ChromeOS, Fedora, whatever) to remote into that, and then use Command Center from there
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
This is my laptop - Not a work laptop.
This is for personal as well as business reasons.(that way they dont have a say in what I do on my Laptop )
Absolutely not. Are they paying for your personal laptop? Fuck that.
You want to learn? Great. But don’t learn something specific to your job on your own dime. Learn something general.
Then as @Dashrender said, GTFO.
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Did not read rest of thread. I stopped there. Nothing else mattered.
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@JaredBusch said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
You mentioned you're using Windows on the desktop - use Hyper-V in Windows 10 Pro. Hopefully your boss didn't cheap out and get you a laptop with Windows 10 Home on it.
This is my laptop - Not a work laptop.
This is for personal as well as business reasons.(that way they dont have a say in what I do on my Laptop )
Absolutely not. Are they paying for your personal laptop? Fuck that.
You want to learn? Great. But don’t learn something specific to your job on your own dime. Learn something general.
Then as @Dashrender said, GTFO.
Right, when on your own time, learn what is good for YOU, not for THEM. What you are looking to do here is all for them. Not just your time, but your money and equipment, too.
This is just more of who this job is literally hurting your career. It is convincing you to spend your time and money learning things that won't translate to another job or more money. They are getting you to pay for their stuff.
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@JaredBusch said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Did not read rest of thread. I stopped there. Nothing else mattered.
It went even further south from that point so it was worth skipping.
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and all I did was simply ask a simple question on which VM software to use ... :crying_face:
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
and all I did was simply ask a simple question on which VM software to use ... :crying_face:
For all the wrong reasons, obviously.
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
and all I did was simply ask a simple question on which VM software to use ... :crying_face:
Still I don't think you've decided. If I had a choice in it, it seems like going with Linux and KVM is the better option. And leaving a VM for windows and this job of yours for secondary "when on call". But really your employer needs to supply you with the tools to do the job unless it was stated otherwise at the time of hire.
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@JaredBusch said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
and all I did was simply ask a simple question on which VM software to use ... :crying_face:
For all the wrong reasons, obviously.
Well Apparently.
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@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
and all I did was simply ask a simple question on which VM software to use ... :crying_face:
People always say "asked a simple question", but questions are rarely simple. It's like saying "which car should I buy", but in order to answer a "simple question" we have to know why you want a car, your budget, your use cases, what you like, why you are trying to buy it, etc. There are no simple questions, if there were, there would be simple answers and you could look them up without asking. We have to ask because these things are actually rather complex.
And often, the complexity of a question that was not realized exposes earlier mistakes in thinking that led to asking the question far too late in the process. For example, how did you know what laptop to buy, without having already known what virtualization you were going to run on it? You can't, the virtualization decision does a lot to drive the laptop choice.
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@scottalanmiller wrong topic?
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
So uninstall Windows and install Linux, Ubuntu or Fedora and then install KVM and Virtual Machine Manager.
Create a Windows 10 Home VM and from there you have your portable lab.
Dual booting is an option that I haven't seen proposed yet. No need to nuke the windows install, just get something with enough drive space and either use the Linux installer or the windows drive management tool to shrink the windows install partition
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@notverypunny said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
So uninstall Windows and install Linux, Ubuntu or Fedora and then install KVM and Virtual Machine Manager.
Create a Windows 10 Home VM and from there you have your portable lab.
Dual booting is an option that I haven't seen proposed yet. No need to nuke the windows install, just get something with enough drive space and either use the Linux installer or the windows drive management tool to shrink the windows install partition
Dual-Booting while an option for cases where you want to have a permanent installation for both doesn't really fit the bill here since what @WrCombs is looking to do it setup a test environment for one off issues, figure out how to resolve it in the test environment and then tear down the test environment.
It's not an option for the purposes of looking at hardware to use as a portable lab.
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@notverypunny said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs so now the question is... do you want to keep Windows or do you want to upgrade to Fedora or Ubuntu?
I will need to have Windows in one way or another ( possible a VM for work- to run the Remote Desktop Tool we use to connect into sites)
Nothing in either case means you can't have windows. The question is do you need it as the primary desktop or can it be run sas a VM for times that you need windows?
It can run as a VM for when i need it.
So uninstall Windows and install Linux, Ubuntu or Fedora and then install KVM and Virtual Machine Manager.
Create a Windows 10 Home VM and from there you have your portable lab.
Dual booting is an option that I haven't seen proposed yet. No need to nuke the windows install, just get something with enough drive space and either use the Linux installer or the windows drive management tool to shrink the windows install partition
Dual booting is effectively a dead end outside of very specific situations like a dual purpose video gaming and work machine, and even that is almost dead.
For a lab or testing, it's not efficient at all, and a lot more work.
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I would never consider dual boot again, thats a relic of the past. It's much simpler to just use virtualization, and allow both OS's to be on at the same time.
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For a laptop I would just keep windows 10 on it and run virtualbox for testing.
If you're testing stuff, doing development and what not, virtualbox is the de-facto standard. It's easy to use shared folders between the host and the VMs do USB pass-through and stuff like that. Sleep on the hosts will also put VMs in sleep.
If you want to do some more serious stuff I would set up one or more VM hosts on dedicated server hardware.
