I never moved off TeamViewer, so maybe I will give this a shot.

@JaredBusch said in How to Require TLS for Outbound SMTP Connections with MDaemon:

@BRRABill said in How to Require TLS for Outbound SMTP Connections with MDaemon:

*Are you wanting this for your own users only, or for your own users plus all mail coming into your server from non-local senders?

Whoever posted this is horribly confused. They are talking about inbound mail.

Now maybe your post there was not clear?

I think what he meant was encrypted from the e-mail client (Outlook, Webmail) to the MD server.

I asked about encrypting all incoming and outgoing mail. So as usual I can see how someone might be able to misinterpret.

Be careful with them online if you let them play online. There are a lot of crazy older Minecraft people out there who love ruining younger people's stuff.

On XBOX at least.

I profusely apologize to all for possibly adding any information that doesn't belong in this thread.

I know ML is built on the philosophy of keeping threads real short and tight, and never deviating from the original post, so again I apologize to anyone I offended with my three sentences.

Well, 5 now with these additional 2 sentences.

Oh no, it's now 6 ... 777 ARGH!!!!!!!!!!

@JaredBusch said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

@BRRABill said in Verizon blocking port 465 to godaddy?:

I profusely apologize to all for possibly adding any information that doesn't belong in this thread.

I know ML is built on the philosophy of keeping threads real short and tight, and never deviating from the original post, so again I apologize to anyone I offended with my three sentences.

Well, 5 now with these additional 2 sentences.

Oh no, it's now 6 ... 777 ARGH!!!!!!!!!!

A flowing discussion is fine, but at some point you need to get back to the question at hand or reply as a new thread and make your own topic. Additionally my opinion on where that line should be is significantly different than @scottalanmiller's.

I got stuck on a bunch of calls, but it looks like @Dashrender found the solution.

I find this post distracting and unnecessary.

I kid, Kid.

I also originally read your post as you got stuck on a bunch of cats, which is odd.

P.S. That sucks for xByte.

I wasn't overly impressed with EDGE when we were dealing with them. Now xByte, boy howdy!

@Dashrender said in Veeam Agent for Linux is now available!:

@JaredBusch said in Veeam Agent for Linux is now available!:

No one with a brain is a fan of agentless full backups. Conveniently, real backup solutions do not need to make constant full backups. Veeam calls it forward incremental-forever, and while I do not know Unitrends' name, I know they do it also.

This is also what I like to do - incrementals.

Scott - you're saying that you prefer to completely disregard the OS and only backup the data - OK fine, but this makes full recovery take longer as you have to install an OS, then configure it, then restore the data. In Dev Osp that's fine, but most of use don't have Dev Ops setups. I suppose many workloads could look at moving that direction, even in SMB, I'm just curious about the skills required to manage/maintain it.

That's why a lot of my initial discussions were on image backups.

As a SMB (or SOHO as @scottalanmiller would say) we have low storage servers here. So in a small amount of time I can get things back up and running as they were. If we had a ton of data it would be a different story altogether.

@JaredBusch said

Once that is done, you can copy the normal executable to the machine and install from the GUI because it will pop up, yes, even on Hyper-V server.

Did you put that in just for me?

@FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7.0: monitor hard drive failure:

@BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: monitor hard drive failure:

I just use the lights on the drives themselves.

If the drive fails & you aren't around (maybe you're on a fancy beach), then what?

Then I stay on said beach.

@scottalanmiller there is the bat signal...

But everyone has it. It's a simple check box.

(SARCASM for @scottalanmiller )

I don't think they are questioning Samba, per se, but the concept that Samba works like Microsoft does.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, people think the gold standard is what Microsoft presents.

@travisdh1 said

That's the "tables is turned off" output.

See, I think that is semantics.

tables is turned on, but accepting everything.

Because you don't have to issue any commands, simple add something to iptables

How is that for a specific title? I have learned in the Linux world, being specific helps.

Anyway, due to various discussions here on ML over the past few days (and recent security lapses in general), I have been thinking about base installs. We typically tell people to install Ubuntu for things such as XO or the Ubiquiti Controller but do the instructions need more details on how to setup the server itself?

In many discussions I have had with @scottalanmiller he tells me I think about Linux wrong. That it is basically just secure out of the box. Easy, not like Windows. (Though some would argue that newer versions of Windows are also pretty secure out of the box.) This thought is also echoed in the documentation of Ubuntu, as well as on setup pages from places such as DigitalOcean.

So, let's take a default install of Ubuntu. We install it, set a strong password (or even use a SSH key) and run all updates. Is that it? Is that all we need to do? Is it truly secure?

I guess a good starting point would be a discussion on ... what do YOU do to your base Ubuntu installs to lock them down?

For me, it is what I mentioned above, and also...

• fail2ban
• set firewall to deny all incoming except SSH
• create a non-root user

If you were going to start fresh and stand up a Linux File server, what distribution would you pick, and why?

@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@scottalanmiller at one point you had mentioned SUSE (openSUSE, I presume) as a suggestion here.

Why was that?

openSuse is what I use, especially Leap. Because I know it well and it has some extensive storage features. But unless you are going to use those features, you don't want to start exploring new distros that require different tools and knowledge unless there is specific need for it.

But if a user (like myself, for this kind of thing) has no prior knowledge of Centos?

I mean at this point, I know Ubuntu pretty well, too.

Everything but CentOS.

Well, you should not have been doing anything else until you were an expert on CentOS CentOS is far and away the most appropriate for someone with less experience.

Hey I just follow installation orders.

@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@scottalanmiller at one point you had mentioned SUSE (openSUSE, I presume) as a suggestion here.

Why was that?

openSuse is what I use, especially Leap. Because I know it well and it has some extensive storage features. But unless you are going to use those features, you don't want to start exploring new distros that require different tools and knowledge unless there is specific need for it.

But if a user (like myself, for this kind of thing) has no prior knowledge of Centos?

I mean at this point, I know Ubuntu pretty well, too.

Everything but CentOS.

Well, you should not have been doing anything else until you were an expert on CentOS CentOS is far and away the most appropriate for someone with less experience.

So to answer my other sub-question here. If someone came to you and said "I want to learn Linux" ... after you explained why the question is stated wrong (haha), you'd point them towards CentOS?

@travisdh1 said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@BRRABill said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

CentOS is also the Dom0 of XenServer. So you get great overlap there for people using that.

Those crazy f'ers.

And that comment just reminded me that I haven't installed Dell's OpenManage on the rebuilt server yet. Gotta go do that.

Oooh, me too.

And also get my UPS working.

@Dashrender said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

@scottalanmiller said in Linux File Server. Which One Would You Pick?:

CentOS. Because there is no compelling reason to look at anything else and by default I always start there - it's the best known, most stable, best supported. So unless you have a specific reason to look elsewhere, that's what you use IMHO.

I don't feel that this is a real answer to Bill's question. Does it answer it, sure, but doesn't explain why.

What makes CentOS better than Ubuntu, RHEL, Debian (not Linux I know, but still), etc?

I think he did answer it...

"Because CentOS is the appropriate Linux for non-experts. It's the easiest to use, best documented, has the best support, is the most stable and secure, has the fewest caveats, is the least confusing, does not do marketing tricks like the Ubuntu LTS thing to confuse users, has a good community of people who understand the product, has the best application support, etc. It requires the least skill to use properly, and lets you do the most with it and provides for the best career options once you learn it."

@Dashrender said

As for why has Bill started with Ubuntu? Because most of the projects that he's deployed so far have come with instructions explicitly for Ubuntu (namely XO and Unifi Controller).

Yeah, that is exactly why.

Plus Mint.