Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options
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This just seems like such a simple thing. And I'm not the one that came up with the need, I was just the one asked to research it for another company. But I talked to companies that make this stuff as part of the process and it seems like there is just so much money in the cloud storage portion, that no one is willing to make local targets overly accessible or attractive.
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@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
@stacksofplates said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
I mean an outside the box scenario is you could use Jenkins to schedule all of this. Then just use something like Restic or Borg to do the backups either locally or to a central location.
Then you can have Jenkins send messages/emails on a failure. You'd just need a Jenkins slave at every site (can be whatever you are running the backup on).
Not specifically looking to trigger the backups remotely. Would like them to trigger locally and just report because if the Internet goes down, you don't want things to not keep going.
Salt or Ansible should be able to do this too. And you could script the responses.
I assumed that Jenkins would have the Ansible plugin (or Salt if there is one, not sure) so the slave could do whatever it needed with that tool. You could always deploy script and then just have a Jenkins job to scrape the data.
Probably more of a realistic scenario is to just have the scripts at each site deploy to the location (remote or local) and then have Prometheus monitor that. You could pretty easily have an exporter report any failures on the systemd unit (or whatever service you want).
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Its been a long while but didn't BackupExec used to have a central management console? I haven't looked at or used their product in 5-7 years now but might be worth checking into
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@jt1001001 said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
Its been a long while but didn't BackupExec used to have a central management console? I haven't looked at or used their product in 5-7 years now but might be worth checking into
OMG, do they still exist? LMAO
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Yes they were re-spun off of Symatec a couple years back.
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@jt1001001 said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
Yes they were re-spun off of Symatec a couple years back.
You'd think that I'd remember them. I worked for them both pre- and during-Symantec (I was there during the buyout.) But I never worked on the BE side, only on the Netbackup side.
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Metallic looks like it might do what I want here.
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@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
Metallic looks like it might do what I want here.
Looks great, but I don't see anything to suggest it will centrally manage backups to locally attached USB devices.
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We use https://www.backupassist.com at one site to backup up USB RDX drive. Think they have central management.
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@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
Metallic looks like it might do what I want here.
Unless you're talking about using Metallic's Endpoint, the pricing structure seems... strange to me. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.
The endpoint pricing seems to be ~$10 /user /month.
The Core pricing seems to be $200/tb/month for using your own storage? Seems a bit pricey to me on that front.
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@dafyre said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
The endpoint pricing seems to be ~$10 /user /month.
How does that work with multiple sites? I'm one user backing up 100 sites, so it's just $10 a month?
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@Obsolesce said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
Metallic looks like it might do what I want here.
Looks great, but I don't see anything to suggest it will centrally manage backups to locally attached USB devices.
Well it's a SaaS product, so presumably hosted or at least hostable. I swear I read that local storage was allowed.
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Not sure but Arcserve might fit the bill. Although it would require Windows server(s) and is probably very close to Veeam's architecture.
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For those wondering why email doesn't cut it.... literally had an unrelated situation where they were using Veeam with email alerts and it didn't alert and no one knew it wasn't backing up for four months! The customer presumably knew that they had removed the backup target and not replaced it or communicated with anyone. But nonetheless, had there been the central console for this local backup job, we would have known instantly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
For those wondering why email doesn't cut it.... literally had an unrelated situation where they were using Veeam with email alerts and it didn't alert and no one knew it wasn't backing up for four months! The customer presumably knew that they had removed the backup target and not replaced it or communicated with anyone. But nonetheless, had there been the central console for this local backup job, we would have known instantly.
Yeah, that's why you can't rely on the backup software client by itself. You need another piece to handle the "nothing happening" part.
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@Obsolesce said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
Yeah, that's why you can't rely on the backup software client by itself. You need another piece to handle the "nothing happening" part.
Right. Something not on the server or at the customer site because it is often server, software, or network failure causing the issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
For those wondering why email doesn't cut it.... literally had an unrelated situation where they were using Veeam with email alerts and it didn't alert and no one knew it wasn't backing up for four months! The customer presumably knew that they had removed the backup target and not replaced it or communicated with anyone. But nonetheless, had there been the central console for this local backup job, we would have known instantly.
Reminds me of a couple weeks ago when we had an emergency alert go out on campus. I know this is fairly unrelated but but it does describe a flaw with email. I did not get an email giving me the notice because we were also having email issues at the time. So i walked out of a classroom at 4:00 in the afternoon and there was no staff left on campus but me. So yeah, have to have something else working besides email.
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@jmoore said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
For those wondering why email doesn't cut it.... literally had an unrelated situation where they were using Veeam with email alerts and it didn't alert and no one knew it wasn't backing up for four months! The customer presumably knew that they had removed the backup target and not replaced it or communicated with anyone. But nonetheless, had there been the central console for this local backup job, we would have known instantly.
Reminds me of a couple weeks ago when we had an emergency alert go out on campus. I know this is fairly unrelated but but it does describe a flaw with email. I did not get an email giving me the notice because we were also having email issues at the time. So i walked out of a classroom at 4:00 in the afternoon and there was no staff left on campus but me. So yeah, have to have something else working besides email.
Yeah, the problem with any email based system is you don't know when you don't receive something. Email alerting is based on the "tell me when something is wrong" concept, which is fine to do. But alone is rarely enough. We need a "tell me that everything is okay, all the time" approach. We need to have constant verification that nothing has failed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
@jmoore said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
For those wondering why email doesn't cut it.... literally had an unrelated situation where they were using Veeam with email alerts and it didn't alert and no one knew it wasn't backing up for four months! The customer presumably knew that they had removed the backup target and not replaced it or communicated with anyone. But nonetheless, had there been the central console for this local backup job, we would have known instantly.
Reminds me of a couple weeks ago when we had an emergency alert go out on campus. I know this is fairly unrelated but but it does describe a flaw with email. I did not get an email giving me the notice because we were also having email issues at the time. So i walked out of a classroom at 4:00 in the afternoon and there was no staff left on campus but me. So yeah, have to have something else working besides email.
Yeah, the problem with any email based system is you don't know when you don't receive something. Email alerting is based on the "tell me when something is wrong" concept, which is fine to do. But alone is rarely enough. We need a "tell me that everything is okay, all the time" approach. We need to have constant verification that nothing has failed.
Do you have the staff to just develop what you need?
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@jmoore said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
@jmoore said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
@scottalanmiller said in Centrally Controlled Local Backup System Options:
For those wondering why email doesn't cut it.... literally had an unrelated situation where they were using Veeam with email alerts and it didn't alert and no one knew it wasn't backing up for four months! The customer presumably knew that they had removed the backup target and not replaced it or communicated with anyone. But nonetheless, had there been the central console for this local backup job, we would have known instantly.
Reminds me of a couple weeks ago when we had an emergency alert go out on campus. I know this is fairly unrelated but but it does describe a flaw with email. I did not get an email giving me the notice because we were also having email issues at the time. So i walked out of a classroom at 4:00 in the afternoon and there was no staff left on campus but me. So yeah, have to have something else working besides email.
Yeah, the problem with any email based system is you don't know when you don't receive something. Email alerting is based on the "tell me when something is wrong" concept, which is fine to do. But alone is rarely enough. We need a "tell me that everything is okay, all the time" approach. We need to have constant verification that nothing has failed.
Do you have the staff to just develop what you need?
It's a consideration, for sure.
