One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
If they use off-prem email
Off prem email, like I use, tends to use one of these....
- Web interface
- IMAP
- ActiveSync
All three of those are designed specifically to work the opposite of client/server so that they can work over the Internet. Email is as polar opposite to on prem client/server as applications can get. Email was originally designed for response latency measured in days (literally) not nanoseconds. So SMTP can withstand days of being disconnected and still work just fine. And email apps show a consistent interface so that you can keep working even when the delay is seconds (or days.)
Email works over dial up. Or even slower. And while you can theoretically measure the performance difference, it doesn't hit the end user. Waiting one second, or one hour for an email response isn't something that a user will notice because they don't know when the email is coming. But a database call not being instant, when you need to make one after another to construct a form or fill out a report can make it literally impossible to use an app because you might not be able to complete a transaction while the customer is there, or fill in data for the system while doing the task, or just remember when you were doing by the time it loads.
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
If they use off-prem email
Off prem email, like I use, tends to use one of these....
- Web interface
- IMAP
- ActiveSync
All three of those are designed specifically to work the opposite of client/server so that they can work over the Internet. Email is as polar opposite to on prem client/server as applications can get. Email was originally designed for response latency measured in days (literally) not nanoseconds. So SMTP can withstand days of being disconnected and still work just fine. And email apps show a consistent interface so that you can keep working even when the delay is seconds (or days.)
Email works over dial up. Or even slower. And while you can theoretically measure the performance difference, it doesn't hit the end user. Waiting one second, or one hour for an email response isn't something that a user will notice because they don't know when the email is coming. But a database call not being instant, when you need to make one after another to construct a form or fill out a report can make it literally impossible to use an app because you might not be able to complete a transaction while the customer is there, or fill in data for the system while doing the task, or just remember when you were doing by the time it loads.
Yeah I got it, I wan't clear on the app. But I am now.
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Is this app on their PCs doing a ton of IO and need crazy low latency or something?
Yes, client / server means all IO is going over the network. It's the most inefficient possible app design. Imagine using QuickBooks with your app on your desktop, but the database FILE over SMB hosted by AWS across the country. It would be so slow that you'd forget what you typed in by the time that it actually stored the data and displayed it again.
Blah, looks like you're stuck then
Pretty much. It's not that bad, just need a good backup before we do the straight copy that we will do the V2V from. We have enough space there now to do the backup (twice if needed, maybe more) and gobs of space on its way there (8TB additional for working space during the transition... total backup is just 400GB.)
So this is just the fail safe backup. We will have a full copy of the offlined disk image before we do anything destructive as well. The hope is that we simply rebuild the host and V2V back to Hyper-V and all will be well.
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@scottalanmiller Is this the same client that is licensed for Server 2016, so you're installing Hyper-V 2016 rather than 2019?
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@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller Is this the same client that is licensed for Server 2016, so you're installing Hyper-V 2016 rather than 2019?
Yes. But they found the DVD, and the licensing. So that part is good.
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller Is this the same client that is licensed for Server 2016, so you're installing Hyper-V 2016 rather than 2019?
Yes. But they found the DVD, and the licensing. So that part is good.
So to ask, why do they require a desktop on their hypervisor? You probably answered this on that other topic but I didn't see it.
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@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller Is this the same client that is licensed for Server 2016, so you're installing Hyper-V 2016 rather than 2019?
Yes. But they found the DVD, and the licensing. So that part is good.
So to ask, why do they require a desktop on their hypervisor? You probably answered this on that other topic but I didn't see it.
MSP's toolset. It requires Windows GUI to work (rolls eyes.)
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Duplicati is about halfway through the backup at this point.
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Duplicati is about halfway through the backup at this point.
That's a good sign. An even better one is if you can restore files once it's done.
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48GB left to back up.
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@pchiodo should be landing at the customer site in about an hour.
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35GB left to go.
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I would suggest the following but you’re mostly done:
- macrium reflect
- shadow protect
- acronis true image
They might use VSS, I’m not 100% sure
Left field alternative create a VHDX file using the MS tools.
Hope your current tool does it right the first time
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@nadnerB said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
create a VHDX file using the MS tool
That's right... Their Disk2VHD tools has a checkbox for VSS you can uncheck.
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So after all of this work.... their backup media corrupted and completed died tonight. Backup lost.
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@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
So after all of this work.... their backup media corrupted and completed died tonight. Backup lost.
Well that blows chunks.
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@nadnerB said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
How did you lot end up sorting it/get around it?
We didn't. The good backup was lost. We did another with Altaro only to find out that they trick you and don't allow restores unless you have a working Windows server to restore on, they actually detect that you are on Hyper-V and/or Windows client and block you from restoring! Worst backup company EVER.
So right now, status is screwed until we figure something out.
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Let me tell you .... I've never been so disgusted by any backup vendor, ever.
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Well that sucks.
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@nadnerB said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Well that sucks.
Yeah, trying a P2V now that we can test in the morning.
