One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
We have a critical Windows VM that we need to take a backup of us (manually.) No scheduling needed. We can't use Veeam or anything similar that uses an image based system as VSS is not working due to the former IT company misconfiguring VMware ESXi. So we need a file-based backup tool. The backup medium is a USB disk. We have enough space to hold the backup, but need to write to a file or folder, not take over the entire drive.
Any recommendations on the best tool to use? Thanks
Veeam doesn't use its own VSS driver? Or am I thinking of a different backup util... Have you tried?
Veeam doesn't work. We've tried everything with it. They are even licensed for it. But ESXi is just hosed at this point.
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@travisdh1 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Duplicati, maybe. I think it still relies on VSS, tho, never had a reason to test it with a broken system.
Yes, testing that now. It's running.
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
In a pinch, that might do.
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@scottalanmiller said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
The backup medium is a USB disk. We have enough space to hold the backup, but need to write to a file or folder, not take over the entire drive.
Why cant you just get another USB disk? Is they scared to overwrite because there is no backup of other important data on a single USB disk?
That we can get, and we have two 4TB drives heading there tonight. But we have USB capacity, that's not the issue. It's ESXi being hosed so we can't get it to write to the USB disks that we have already (we have three attached) due to the overprosinioning killing storage options.
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Even for one month, isn't bad. Not sure that they have a pipe to handle a backup, and definitely not a restore, during our small change window for that.
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
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rclone would easily do a file level copy of everything as well to pretty much any storage you can provide.
Duplicati will encrypt the files by default iirc (which may be a pain in the rear).
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
As long as he uses the same region for s3 and instance it will be very fast
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Yeah... on prem server here. It's a vet clinic with 1990s client/server applications and no fast WAN as it is a remote village in rural Canada.
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
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@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
Then the app wouldn't work fast enough when we were done. Also, it's a DC. Which can work remotely but...
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@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
As long as he uses the same region for s3 and instance it will be very fast
Is there an AWS region for Saskatchewan?
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
ESXi is overprovisioned. The server is not. Server has plenty of power. It was set up by a VMware sales guy, not an IT guy, and he screwed them probably to sell more services later.
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
That's for scott to explain, the point is the problem is the over provisioning of said host. I assume by slimming down a few of the VMs
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@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@DustinB3403 said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@IRJ said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
@Obsolesce said in One Time, Non-Image, Windows Backup Client:
Another option is robocopying the data off needed to rebuild the server or for a server rebuild. That's basically all a VSSless backup will do anyways, except will more easily copy ALL files instead of just the needed minimal.
Syncing to blob or S3 storage is extremely easy as well. Not to mention cheap.
I'd agree, until I seen 8TB of capacity heading there. Assuming they have a "normal" internet pipe, that's going to take a really really long time to back up and restore that much data over the internet.
Yeah, I'm so used to it being fast as hell from aws instance
Well, if he backs the data up to S3, and rebuilds the server in AWS.... no restore time
It sounds like a good plan since they are over provisioned already.
The over provisioning is being fixed once a backup is made.
How so if they need to restore?
Don't need to restore all the same stuff. Their former setup was three VMs, two of them just to sell unneeded software and services. Once we rebuild, the drives will be set up correctly and only one VM restored. The entire rebuild is to fix the train wreck of a system.
