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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Just because there is a paid option, doesn't make it useless, just less useful.
And the current free version is only good for 12 hours per month.
/sigh... if only we had protections to make carriers be carriers only, and not data brokers as well.
I pay for a service now. That is not the issue. The issue is it is all or nothing.
I do not want that. That is why I use the service I use now. When I want it, I enable it.
They also offer SOCKS proxy so I can have specific things using that instead of my entire PC or network.
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@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Just because there is a paid option, doesn't make it useless, just less useful.
And the current free version is only good for 12 hours per month.
/sigh... if only we had protections to make carriers be carriers only, and not data brokers as well.
I pay for a service now. That is not the issue. The issue is it is all or nothing.
I do not want that. That is why I use the service I use now. When I want it, I enable it.
They also offer SOCKS proxy so I can have specific things using that instead of my entire PC or network.
Ok, perhaps for you it's closer or fully useless, but for the average person - OMG who am I kidding, the average person will never use this or even know about it.
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Microsoft’s first Office app arrives on Linux
Yeah, who is going to jump on that band wagon?
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@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Microsoft’s first Office app arrives on Linux
Yeah, who is going to jump on that band wagon?
You might be surprised - I'd bet some governments will try.
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@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Microsoft’s first Office app arrives on Linux
Yeah, who is going to jump on that band wagon?
Is that a bandwagon or grenade?
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Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore. -
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
I'm really trying to understand the need for this IRL? When is forwarding really not enough?
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
I'm really trying to understand the need for this IRL? When is forwarding really not enough?
And when do you want an attachment that requires special software to read?
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@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.this is by far the funniest thing i've seen today.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
I'm really trying to understand the need for this IRL? When is forwarding really not enough?
And when do you want an attachment that requires special software to read?
What makes a special software requirement? Granted reading a .eml will likely contain a bunch of junk normals can't understand if not opened in an email reader...
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
I'm really trying to understand the need for this IRL? When is forwarding really not enough?
And when do you want an attachment that requires special software to read?
What makes a special software requirement? Granted reading a .eml will likely contain a bunch of junk normals can't understand if not opened in an email reader...
Um.... it's a file type that requires a client. It's decently standard as a file type, but it's also super standard for normal people to not have clients that read it. The average person, by far, and a good percentage of companies don't have EML readers. Pretty much anyone on modern web mail doesn't, for example. It's a legacy thing... storing emails in an end user format. It's not part of "email", it's a file for the client.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
I'm really trying to understand the need for this IRL? When is forwarding really not enough?
And when do you want an attachment that requires special software to read?
What makes a special software requirement? Granted reading a .eml will likely contain a bunch of junk normals can't understand if not opened in an email reader...
Um.... it's a file type that requires a client. It's decently standard as a file type, but it's also super standard for normal people to not have clients that read it. The average person, by far, and a good percentage of companies don't have EML readers. Pretty much anyone on modern web mail doesn't, for example. It's a legacy thing... storing emails in an end user format. It's not part of "email", it's a file for the client.
yeah, hadn't considered mobile users.. that could be a problem. But most users are using a web based email client, like yahoo, gmail, outlook.com, etc... I'm assuming most of those will display a .eml file natively with their own viewers.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
I'm really trying to understand the need for this IRL? When is forwarding really not enough?
And when do you want an attachment that requires special software to read?
What makes a special software requirement? Granted reading a .eml will likely contain a bunch of junk normals can't understand if not opened in an email reader...
Um.... it's a file type that requires a client. It's decently standard as a file type, but it's also super standard for normal people to not have clients that read it. The average person, by far, and a good percentage of companies don't have EML readers. Pretty much anyone on modern web mail doesn't, for example. It's a legacy thing... storing emails in an end user format. It's not part of "email", it's a file for the client.
yeah, hadn't considered mobile users.. that could be a problem. But most users are using a web based email client, like yahoo, gmail, outlook.com, etc... I'm assuming most of those will display a .eml file natively with their own viewers.
I don't think that they will. I know that I've never had a system that showed it and I use all of those (not Outlook.) I assume Gmail will now with this new change, that's likely what changed!
But it is absolutely not standard for web interfaces to open EML file types and display them.
And even if the big boys like O365, Gmail, and Zoho move to that, you still have a world full of people using RoundCube, Zimbra, or just freebie web hosting mail (we get this for the majority of customers, not the rare ones) who will never get it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
I'm really trying to understand the need for this IRL? When is forwarding really not enough?
And when do you want an attachment that requires special software to read?
What makes a special software requirement? Granted reading a .eml will likely contain a bunch of junk normals can't understand if not opened in an email reader...
Um.... it's a file type that requires a client. It's decently standard as a file type, but it's also super standard for normal people to not have clients that read it. The average person, by far, and a good percentage of companies don't have EML readers. Pretty much anyone on modern web mail doesn't, for example. It's a legacy thing... storing emails in an end user format. It's not part of "email", it's a file for the client.
yeah, hadn't considered mobile users.. that could be a problem. But most users are using a web based email client, like yahoo, gmail, outlook.com, etc... I'm assuming most of those will display a .eml file natively with their own viewers.
I don't think that they will. I know that I've never had a system that showed it and I use all of those (not Outlook.) I assume Gmail will now with this new change, that's likely what changed!
But it is absolutely not standard for web interfaces to open EML file types and display them.
And even if the big boys like O365, Gmail, and Zoho move to that, you still have a world full of people using RoundCube, Zimbra, or just freebie web hosting mail (we get this for the majority of customers, not the rare ones) who will never get it.
Well, then it's a good thing that it's likely most of use will never see this issue from this new feature of Google's... how many people do you know trying to send multiple emails onto another person?
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@mlnews said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Gmail Can Now Send Emails as Attachments
Yes, you read that right, Gmail users can now email emails.
Google decided to make it easier to send emails to other people using Gmail, so it's now possible to add one or more emails as an attachment. Typically, if you want to share an email you've received with someone else the easiest way to do so is to forward the email. However, that's not always suitable, especially when there's multiple email threads to send. Until now, you'd have to download the emails first from Gmail and then add them as an attachment, but not anymore.Ugh, I HATE systems that do this!
To report email as spam to symantec cloud, you actually have to do this as it keeps the original email header intact. That's the only additional use case that I can think of.
I'm a little surprised that this wasn't already a feature but when it comes down to it, how many people using Gmail/GSuite are using an alternative spam filter service?
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If you want to send someone a bunch of emails related to a project, or an issue of some kind, inline forwarding doesn't work. You need to forward them as attachments. Then you can get those forwarded email into your account as if you where on cc, meaning the receiver and sender and everything is intact.
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And an EML file is basically a text file identical to the raw email as it was sent over the wire, with MIME encoded attachments and everything. Same as the content in maildir files stored by mail servers and inside mbox files (except it has many emails in one file). So it's not some proprietary client email format, it the ARPA Internet Text Messages format.
If you wanted to archive your emails EML would be the format to do it in.
It would be an easy thing to get a web based mail client to show the eml file as a proper email because it's the same as whats stored on the mail server.
