I am going to start an ISP
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@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@bigbear said in I am going to start an ISP:
@scottalanmiller said in I am going to start an ISP:
@bigbear said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
Yes, that is correct. I am going to start an ISP.
In my town, we have a highway running through it. Half of the town has good Internet, and the other half is just terrible. The current BIG ISPs have had enough time to come in and either upgrade what is already there or to replace. It looks like they are not interested in providing rural people with decent Internet because of population density per sub. Its not economically advantageous for them to expand out that way.
Therefore, I am going to start a WISP. I have already been talking to other WISPs out there and have been getting tips. I am also going to take @scottalanmiller's advice on inappropriate coupling of services. Therefore, I will not be offering email, VoIP, AV, or storage for my customers. Just Internet and a side retail of products that the customer could buy from me in order to establish their own private network. I am also planning on expanding into consulting for the community after the ISP is already established and running.
Internally, I am going to go all Vultr for the servers necessary with Debian 9.1 and Fedora as appropriate and FreePBX.
I believe @JaredBusch said one time that WISPs are worth while if they are done right. I was hoping he can expand on that a little bit if possible.
While I just watched @scottalanmiller's video, and agree from the perspective of not buying bundled services especially where the ISP hosts a softswitch in their local data center, as a business you definitely want to bundle and sell Hosted PBX.
To be clear... If you like money, and want to make some as a WISP targeting commercial businesses, you have to offer Hosted PBX.
Right, what is bad for the consumer is good for the vendor. And loads and loads of consumers actually like being taken advantage of. Don't disappoint them.
As long as the services are not proprietary to the internet offering, network or connection I dont see the issue here. I see where scott is coming from but no serious ISP would leave out a voice offering. And I am talking about IP PBX not trunks or home service.
Even if you have to partner out to offer it, there are a million options. There are ways to do it where its not "coupled", even if you allow the customer to cancel internet and keep voice.
If I had businesses want some other services as well, I'd have to look at my resources (hint hint wink wink, looking at people here on ML) about such things as web design, marketing, hosting for businesses, etc.
You've already gone from "I won't be bundling" to "I'll offer whatever the client wants"
In like 2 hours. . .
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@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@bigbear said in I am going to start an ISP:
@scottalanmiller said in I am going to start an ISP:
@bigbear said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
Yes, that is correct. I am going to start an ISP.
In my town, we have a highway running through it. Half of the town has good Internet, and the other half is just terrible. The current BIG ISPs have had enough time to come in and either upgrade what is already there or to replace. It looks like they are not interested in providing rural people with decent Internet because of population density per sub. Its not economically advantageous for them to expand out that way.
Therefore, I am going to start a WISP. I have already been talking to other WISPs out there and have been getting tips. I am also going to take @scottalanmiller's advice on inappropriate coupling of services. Therefore, I will not be offering email, VoIP, AV, or storage for my customers. Just Internet and a side retail of products that the customer could buy from me in order to establish their own private network. I am also planning on expanding into consulting for the community after the ISP is already established and running.
Internally, I am going to go all Vultr for the servers necessary with Debian 9.1 and Fedora as appropriate and FreePBX.
I believe @JaredBusch said one time that WISPs are worth while if they are done right. I was hoping he can expand on that a little bit if possible.
While I just watched @scottalanmiller's video, and agree from the perspective of not buying bundled services especially where the ISP hosts a softswitch in their local data center, as a business you definitely want to bundle and sell Hosted PBX.
To be clear... If you like money, and want to make some as a WISP targeting commercial businesses, you have to offer Hosted PBX.
Right, what is bad for the consumer is good for the vendor. And loads and loads of consumers actually like being taken advantage of. Don't disappoint them.
As long as the services are not proprietary to the internet offering, network or connection I dont see the issue here. I see where scott is coming from but no serious ISP would leave out a voice offering. And I am talking about IP PBX not trunks or home service.
Even if you have to partner out to offer it, there are a million options. There are ways to do it where its not "coupled", even if you allow the customer to cancel internet and keep voice.
If I had businesses want some other services as well, I'd have to look at my resources (hint hint wink wink, looking at people here on ML) about such things as web design, marketing, hosting for businesses, etc.
You've already gone from "I won't be bundling" to "I'll offer whatever the client wants"
In like 2 hours. . .
They won't be bundled though. They'd all be separate line items.
"You're going from a hosted PBX to an on-prem PBX? Okay. We can turn that off and I'll continue taking care of your emails, web hosting, etc."
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@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@bigbear said in I am going to start an ISP:
@scottalanmiller said in I am going to start an ISP:
@bigbear said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
Yes, that is correct. I am going to start an ISP.
In my town, we have a highway running through it. Half of the town has good Internet, and the other half is just terrible. The current BIG ISPs have had enough time to come in and either upgrade what is already there or to replace. It looks like they are not interested in providing rural people with decent Internet because of population density per sub. Its not economically advantageous for them to expand out that way.
Therefore, I am going to start a WISP. I have already been talking to other WISPs out there and have been getting tips. I am also going to take @scottalanmiller's advice on inappropriate coupling of services. Therefore, I will not be offering email, VoIP, AV, or storage for my customers. Just Internet and a side retail of products that the customer could buy from me in order to establish their own private network. I am also planning on expanding into consulting for the community after the ISP is already established and running.
Internally, I am going to go all Vultr for the servers necessary with Debian 9.1 and Fedora as appropriate and FreePBX.
I believe @JaredBusch said one time that WISPs are worth while if they are done right. I was hoping he can expand on that a little bit if possible.
While I just watched @scottalanmiller's video, and agree from the perspective of not buying bundled services especially where the ISP hosts a softswitch in their local data center, as a business you definitely want to bundle and sell Hosted PBX.
To be clear... If you like money, and want to make some as a WISP targeting commercial businesses, you have to offer Hosted PBX.
Right, what is bad for the consumer is good for the vendor. And loads and loads of consumers actually like being taken advantage of. Don't disappoint them.
As long as the services are not proprietary to the internet offering, network or connection I dont see the issue here. I see where scott is coming from but no serious ISP would leave out a voice offering. And I am talking about IP PBX not trunks or home service.
Even if you have to partner out to offer it, there are a million options. There are ways to do it where its not "coupled", even if you allow the customer to cancel internet and keep voice.
If I had businesses want some other services as well, I'd have to look at my resources (hint hint wink wink, looking at people here on ML) about such things as web design, marketing, hosting for businesses, etc.
You've already gone from "I won't be bundling" to "I'll offer whatever the client wants"
In like 2 hours. . .
They won't be bundled though. They'd all be separate line items.
"You're going from a hosted PBX to an on-prem PBX? Okay. We can turn that off and I'll continue taking care of your emails, web hosting, etc."
But do you see where that becomes tricky? If you are offering additional services, the client would likely expect a bundle price.
And it would be incredibly daft of you to not bundle, as you can up-sell the customer on items they likely don't use.
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Start with 1 job.
Offering internet service.
Leave everything else out of it.
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@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
I wonder if you could only supply paperless billing, or would you have to give people the option?
Meh - make them a bot to mine Bitcoins...
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And more importantly what kind of bandwidth would you have to setup, support and maintain those other services?
I'd think your time would be completely taken up with just your primary role.
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@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
Start with 1 job.
Offering internet service.
Leave everything else out of it.
That's the plan. Instead of becoming a "jack of all trades", I'll become a "master of one". Let others that have mastered other fields become consultants and divvy out work as it comes up.
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@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
Start with 1 job.
Offering internet service.
Leave everything else out of it.
That's the plan. Instead of becoming a "jack of all trades", I'll become a "master of one". Let others that have mastered other fields become consultants and divvy out work as it comes up.
So you want to be a services broker along with an ISP.
Seems like you're fracturing your time already.
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Just Remember -
NTG is here for you...
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@gjacobse said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@emad-r said in I am going to start an ISP:
Best of luck, if you pull this off, you will be your own boss.
Thanks. My only concern is I will be trading a much shorter commute for more working hours. Will I even see my kids during the week besides when they are already in bed?
Working from home has been great - yet not. during the summer we have had a sitter for the kids, most days they get out and do things. bad weather they stay in,.. and here lately as we end out the summer - they are going less and watching videos. This week is odd since we have a temp sitter while the other is doing training for classes. School starts next week.
When Ison was sick in November of 2017, it was great to still work, but take care of him here at home - and then the two weeks he was in the hospital..my working vacation.
While down time is few some days, I take the time to grab then and hug them, fix them lunch, tickle them and talk to them... so it's been a win.
Next week I'll be so thrilled to have to go back to school... but I will be extremely disappointed at the same time.
With all things, there are Pros and Cons...
November of 2017
You're from the future????
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@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
Start with 1 job.
Offering internet service.
Leave everything else out of it.
That's the plan. Instead of becoming a "jack of all trades", I'll become a "master of one". Let others that have mastered other fields become consultants and divvy out work as it comes up.
So you want to be a services broker along with an ISP.
Seems like you're fracturing your time already.
Not at all. Say I have a business customer approach me about needing a web presence. I know it exists, but me setting it up for them, proxying, designing, etc, would be beyond my skillset. Therefore, I would ask somebody like @Dominica / @scottalanmiller (just an example) to work with me on that project. They would talk to the customer and provide them with what they need, then they would bill me, which I would forward to the customer.
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@stacksofplates said in I am going to start an ISP:
@gjacobse said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@emad-r said in I am going to start an ISP:
Best of luck, if you pull this off, you will be your own boss.
Thanks. My only concern is I will be trading a much shorter commute for more working hours. Will I even see my kids during the week besides when they are already in bed?
Working from home has been great - yet not. during the summer we have had a sitter for the kids, most days they get out and do things. bad weather they stay in,.. and here lately as we end out the summer - they are going less and watching videos. This week is odd since we have a temp sitter while the other is doing training for classes. School starts next week.
When Ison was sick in November of 2017, it was great to still work, but take care of him here at home - and then the two weeks he was in the hospital..my working vacation.
While down time is few some days, I take the time to grab then and hug them, fix them lunch, tickle them and talk to them... so it's been a win.
Next week I'll be so thrilled to have to go back to school... but I will be extremely disappointed at the same time.
With all things, there are Pros and Cons...
November of 2017
You're from the future????
Ugh - stinging thoughts of a report into tha..
It was last Nov. -
@gjacobse said in I am going to start an ISP:
Just Remember -
NTG is here for you...
Exactly.
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
(hint hint wink wink, looking at people here on ML)
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@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@gjacobse said in I am going to start an ISP:
Just Remember -
NTG is here for you...
Exactly.
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
(hint hint wink wink, looking at people here on ML)
So again, you want to be a broker of services and an ISP provider.
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@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@gjacobse said in I am going to start an ISP:
Just Remember -
NTG is here for you...
Exactly.
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
(hint hint wink wink, looking at people here on ML)
So again, you want to be a broker of services and an ISP provider.
The ISP would be one service, mainly aimed at residential. Businesses would go under a consulting name, where ISP is only one of several services that I could offer them. But the primary and only business at first would be the ISP.
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@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@gjacobse said in I am going to start an ISP:
Just Remember -
NTG is here for you...
Exactly.
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
(hint hint wink wink, looking at people here on ML)
So again, you want to be a broker of services and an ISP provider.
The ISP would be one service, mainly aimed at residential. Businesses would go under a consulting name, where ISP is only one of several services that I could offer them. But the primary and only business at first would be the ISP.
So then why discuss anything other than what you need to do your desired first business? Why the hell are you bringing up a conversation of "oohh I might be a broker of services for website dev etc".
FFS focus on getting the 1 thing setup and stable and profitable before you start fracturing out and doing other shit.
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@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@gjacobse said in I am going to start an ISP:
Just Remember -
NTG is here for you...
Exactly.
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
(hint hint wink wink, looking at people here on ML)
So again, you want to be a broker of services and an ISP provider.
The ISP would be one service, mainly aimed at residential. Businesses would go under a consulting name, where ISP is only one of several services that I could offer them. But the primary and only business at first would be the ISP.
So then why discuss anything other than what you need to do your desired first business? Why the hell are you bringing up a conversation of "oohh I might be a broker of services for website dev etc".
FFS focus on getting the 1 thing setup and stable and profitable before you start fracturing out and doing other shit.
I think we've being saying the same thing, just 2 different ways. Sorry.
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What hardware would you need to begin as an ISP, do you have the planned out?
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@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
What hardware would you need to begin as an ISP, do you have the planned out?
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
ALL of it.
Ubiquiti R5AC-Prism airMax and Ubiquiti AM-5G20-90 5GHz AirMax Sector Antenna for broadcasting from the tower
Ubiquiti LBE-5AC-Gen2-US for CPE
Ubiquiti EP-R8 EDGEPOINT ROUTER on the tower connecting to the Transceivers by 1Gb copper (thats all that the transceivers will take) and SFP down to the office.
Ubiquiti ERPRO-8 Advanced Network Routers to connect to my ISP source (with agreement for resale, of course).Vultr will host the uCRM, UNMS, FreePBX (internally to company only), and email (again, internal to company only).
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@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
@dustinb3403 said in I am going to start an ISP:
What hardware would you need to begin as an ISP, do you have the planned out?
@nerdydad said in I am going to start an ISP:
ALL of it.
Ubiquiti R5AC-Prism airMax and Ubiquiti AM-5G20-90 5GHz AirMax Sector Antenna for broadcasting from the tower
Ubiquiti LBE-5AC-Gen2-US for CPE
Ubiquiti EP-R8 EDGEPOINT ROUTER on the tower connecting to the Transceivers by 1Gb copper (thats all that the transceivers will take) and SFP down to the office.
Ubiquiti ERPRO-8 Advanced Network RoutersVultr will host the uCRM, UNMS, FreePBX (internally to company only), and email (again, internal to company only).
Why the Ubiquiti ERPRO-8 Advanced Network Routers rather than the EdgeRouter Infinity?
