Job offer
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It's actually wild how often contractors are offered FTE and turn it down.
Yes, job offers are always flattering but often respectfully declined.
If you're a successful contractor, becoming an employee is a usually a down grade in almost every aspect. But it's not for everyone.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
Personally - I don't know anyone who's made the jump from help desk to IT job. Not saying it doesn't happen, Just that those that I know that worked help desk jobs have generally either stayed there for near ever, or went a completely different direction.
I wanted to upvote your post because it was pretty good, but I can't disagree with this statement more.
I worked Helpdesk nearly 16 years ago, and I've had it come up in interviews and been praised for it every single time except one occasion (I'll expand on that later). Most of the time senior level people will say I started in Helpdesk, too! This happens with c levels like CTO or CISO.
The only guy who had a snide remark was at five below and just recently promoted to help desk manager. He was part of a panel interviewing me and he brought up if I'm so skilled why would I ever accept working at Helpdesk. My response was some people learn by fire and some learn from universities. If rather have a general that knows how to fight in the trenches vs one that doesn't.
But as for @WrCombs it's too late to go to Helpdesk. That would have been a better option from day one, but you're not a rookie anymore. It's gonna look bad on your resume.
I suppose my own story might be considered a rise from helpdesk - you tell me.
I was a telemarketer who got pulled into a department called Tech Services (TS) - we took care of end user issues, running cables, moving equipment (mostly end user stuff) and the like. We didn't have a ticket system - people called a number - someone answered took a message and then someone was dispatched.
Eventually that company did get a helpdesk and ticket system - all new hires. They took the calls, logged them - then we in TS worked the tickets.The helpdesk in that case didn't work to resolve any issues, they simply took messages for TS to work issues.
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So - taking everything that's been said here ; and my own thoughts/feelings about it - I'm thinking I'll just decline the offer and hold out for something a little more suitable. I can stay at my current place until I find the right job.
Appreciate everyone's thoughts on this; pointed out some things I over looked.
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So - taking everything that's been said here ; and my own thoughts/feelings about it - I'm thinking I'll just decline the offer and hold out for something a little more suitable. I can stay at my current place until I find the right job.
Appreciate everyone's thoughts on this; pointed out some things I over looked.
Before you decline it - there is the option to counter offer.
I will say this though,.. it's a sliding scale,.. you are getting higher pay at the loss of PTO,.. you may get PTO - at the loss of higher pay...
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So - taking everything that's been said here ; and my own thoughts/feelings about it - I'm thinking I'll just decline the offer and hold out for something a little more suitable. I can stay at my current place until I find the right job.
Appreciate everyone's thoughts on this; pointed out some things I over looked.
Before you decline it - there is the option to counter offer.
I will say this though,.. it's a sliding scale,.. you are getting higher pay at the loss of PTO,.. you may get PTO - at the loss of higher pay...
One of my moves had me go from 5 weeks of PTO to 2 - I told them I wanted 3, they countered with - we can't give you 3, so we'll buy that third week for a weeks wage...
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
So - taking everything that's been said here ; and my own thoughts/feelings about it - I'm thinking I'll just decline the offer and hold out for something a little more suitable. I can stay at my current place until I find the right job.
Appreciate everyone's thoughts on this; pointed out some things I over looked.
Before you decline it - there is the option to counter offer.
I will say this though,.. it's a sliding scale,.. you are getting higher pay at the loss of PTO,.. you may get PTO - at the loss of higher pay...
One of my moves had me go from 5 weeks of PTO to 2 - I told them I wanted 3, they countered with - we can't give you 3, so we'll buy that third week for a weeks wage...
I brought up PTO last night during the call when it was offered - and he said it's not available for Hourly Employees. But That I can work my own schedule basically as long as I get 40 hours.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
So - taking everything that's been said here ; and my own thoughts/feelings about it - I'm thinking I'll just decline the offer and hold out for something a little more suitable. I can stay at my current place until I find the right job.
Appreciate everyone's thoughts on this; pointed out some things I over looked.
Before you decline it - there is the option to counter offer.
I will say this though,.. it's a sliding scale,.. you are getting higher pay at the loss of PTO,.. you may get PTO - at the loss of higher pay...
One of my moves had me go from 5 weeks of PTO to 2 - I told them I wanted 3, they countered with - we can't give you 3, so we'll buy that third week for a weeks wage...
I brought up PTO last night during the call when it was offered - and he said it's not available for Hourly Employees. But That I can work my own schedule basically as long as I get 40 hours.
Now that's pretty awesome - knocking out 40ish in 3 - 3.5 days is awesome!!
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
So - taking everything that's been said here ; and my own thoughts/feelings about it - I'm thinking I'll just decline the offer and hold out for something a little more suitable. I can stay at my current place until I find the right job.
Appreciate everyone's thoughts on this; pointed out some things I over looked.
Before you decline it - there is the option to counter offer.
I will say this though,.. it's a sliding scale,.. you are getting higher pay at the loss of PTO,.. you may get PTO - at the loss of higher pay...
One of my moves had me go from 5 weeks of PTO to 2 - I told them I wanted 3, they countered with - we can't give you 3, so we'll buy that third week for a weeks wage...
I brought up PTO last night during the call when it was offered - and he said it's not available for Hourly Employees. But That I can work my own schedule basically as long as I get 40 hours.
Now that's pretty awesome - knocking out 40ish in 3 - 3.5 days is awesome!!
yeah, but Do I really want to go back in my career to another entry level position.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
So - taking everything that's been said here ; and my own thoughts/feelings about it - I'm thinking I'll just decline the offer and hold out for something a little more suitable. I can stay at my current place until I find the right job.
Appreciate everyone's thoughts on this; pointed out some things I over looked.
Before you decline it - there is the option to counter offer.
I will say this though,.. it's a sliding scale,.. you are getting higher pay at the loss of PTO,.. you may get PTO - at the loss of higher pay...
One of my moves had me go from 5 weeks of PTO to 2 - I told them I wanted 3, they countered with - we can't give you 3, so we'll buy that third week for a weeks wage...
I brought up PTO last night during the call when it was offered - and he said it's not available for Hourly Employees. But That I can work my own schedule basically as long as I get 40 hours.
Now that's pretty awesome - knocking out 40ish in 3 - 3.5 days is awesome!!
yeah, but Do I really want to go back in my career to another entry level position.
Well - at least while you're doing the laptop rollout - you could potentially have larger amounts of time to study/learn other things.
As IRJ said - get to learning AWS or Azure or god forbid - Google's Cloud.
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@pete-s said in Job offer:
Yes, does it really makes a difference if you're a contractor or employee? You don't have any safe income either way.
There is a difference. In one case, they have to fire you and have to worry about concepts like discrimination. Can they "just fire you"? Yes, more or less. But it's firing, and there is unemployment and all that stuff.
In the other, your contract ends and there is no obligation to re-hire you. The lack of rehiring can be for any reason, including illegal ones, and you have no ground to do anything about it. It has an automatic end date that requires effort to overcome on their side.
Momentum is huge. In one case, they have to make an effort to fire him. In the other, they have to make an effort not to.
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One extremely important thing to me is the industry of the company. Certain industries tend to be more IT friendly and have more robust infrastructure with more needs. For example, the best industries for stability and pay tend to be important ones like financial, Healthcare, government/defense, and a few others.
Other industries like retail, manufacturing, etc don't care about IT or data safety as much as they purely do for profits (right now). I'd gotta say travel agency is probably one of the worst industries to be involved with IMO.
- the obvious reasons why it's bad during a pandemic, but also 2) it's just a middle man and completely unnecessary industry.
Now that we've looked at the industry of the employer let move onto the other obvious cons.
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you're a temp for an entry level position after having what 3-4 years experience? This is the kind of position you might take if you walked off the street with zero experience.
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you might be making more money without the benefits, but you've just basically told everyone that I'm ok being an entry level for another 2-3 years of my life.
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what's a potential employer gonna think a year from now when they see a guy with 4-5 years entry level experience with two lateral entry level jobs?
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the job sounds like it sucks.
This basically sums it up. Congrats on getting an offer, but given your current status, stay where you are and keep looking.
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@pete-s said in Job offer:
The only safety you can have as a white collar worker is having skills and experience that are valuable and sought-after.
This is huge as a general rule (doesn't help much for the given job.) I've preached this SO much.
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+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
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+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
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+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
wow - 25 years of OT... most companies hate OT... though, it's likely cheaper than highering another person.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
It was never said, so No worries.
