Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
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@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@JaredBusch said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@RojoLoco said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@JaredBusch said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
Small update - something else to consider changing - disable Fast Boot.
Fast Boot means when you restart the computer, it doesn't do a full shutdown. It's likely that counters that are often reset upon a full reboot, aren't reset on a Fast Boot.
Fast boot used to be called hibernation. It is a fucking stupid nasty feature
Interesting. But, they also still have hibernation.
Easy to fix that - admin CMD window -> powercfg -hibernate off
I meant, they still have a separate function for hibernate. Why would they offer both, if they are the same thing?
You don't understand fast boot is hibernation. it is 100% the same thing. Just automatic.
Nope - not according to MS
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/kernel/distinguishing-fast-startup-from-wake-from-hibernationYou read that wrong. it is 100% hibernation. The only thing that article states is that unlike user requested hibernation, it closes all applications first.
Well that seems right on the verge of pointless. The OS itself doesn't take long to come up, and if my state is all lost, I've gone through 95% of the effort of powering down with only 10% of the benefit.
Exactly - and as such is why it's not hibernation.
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@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@JaredBusch said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@JaredBusch said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@RojoLoco said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@JaredBusch said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
Small update - something else to consider changing - disable Fast Boot.
Fast Boot means when you restart the computer, it doesn't do a full shutdown. It's likely that counters that are often reset upon a full reboot, aren't reset on a Fast Boot.
Fast boot used to be called hibernation. It is a fucking stupid nasty feature
Interesting. But, they also still have hibernation.
Easy to fix that - admin CMD window -> powercfg -hibernate off
I meant, they still have a separate function for hibernate. Why would they offer both, if they are the same thing?
You don't understand fast boot is hibernation. it is 100% the same thing. Just automatic.
Nope - not according to MS
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/kernel/distinguishing-fast-startup-from-wake-from-hibernationYou read that wrong. it is 100% hibernation. The only thing that article states is that unlike user requested hibernation, it closes all applications first.
Well that seems right on the verge of pointless. The OS itself doesn't take long to come up, and if my state is all lost, I've gone through 95% of the effort of powering down with only 10% of the benefit.
Exactly - and as such is why it's not hibernation.
Seriously - who needs this? I surely don't. If I'm rebooting - it's because I need a kernel restart/reload, not as a way to kill all my applications - a logoff/logon does that.
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For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
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@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
Exactly. I disable hibernation at work. Sleep also creates all sorts of issues that a reboot will fix. All desktops have any type of sleep/hibernate disabled because there is no need and it potentially introduces all sorts of issues.
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@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
Exactly. I disable hibernation at work. Sleep also creates all sorts of issues that a reboot will fix. All desktops have any type of sleep/hibernate disabled because there is no need and it potentially introduces all sorts of issues.
sleep and hibernation cause issues with My current Job.
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@WrCombs said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
Exactly. I disable hibernation at work. Sleep also creates all sorts of issues that a reboot will fix. All desktops have any type of sleep/hibernate disabled because there is no need and it potentially introduces all sorts of issues.
sleep and hibernation cause issues with My current Job.
Lack of sleep causes issues with my current job.
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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
Exactly - if there was any confusion by my "why do we have this" it was about this fast restart crap - not hibernation itself.. that I fully understand, especially for laptops..
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@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
Exactly. I disable hibernation at work. Sleep also creates all sorts of issues that a reboot will fix. All desktops have any type of sleep/hibernate disabled because there is no need and it potentially introduces all sorts of issues.
So you're a totally anti-green type guy.. no desire to save any electrical power
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@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
Exactly. I disable hibernation at work. Sleep also creates all sorts of issues that a reboot will fix. All desktops have any type of sleep/hibernate disabled because there is no need and it potentially introduces all sorts of issues.
So you're a totally anti-green type guy.. no desire to save any electrical power
I am for efficiency. If sleep didn't cause problems and wake over wlan worked, I would do that.
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Troubleshooting a similar issue affecting Dell Precision 5400 and Latitude 7400. In Googling one of those registry strings, I ended up at the following page.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/power/power-policy-settings
I wonder if this is why I only saw the balanced plan available in the power settings.
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After modifying the registry settings, I still have the same issue. I can accelerate the issue if I set the system to turn the screen off after 1 minute, the system will sleep immediately after the screen turns off.
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@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
Exactly. I disable hibernation at work. Sleep also creates all sorts of issues that a reboot will fix. All desktops have any type of sleep/hibernate disabled because there is no need and it potentially introduces all sorts of issues.
So you're a totally anti-green type guy.. no desire to save any electrical power
I am for efficiency. If sleep didn't cause problems and wake over wlan worked, I would do that.
Sleep definitely used to cause me all kinds of problems, though it seems to be working (in general) much better than it used it.
WOL - when it works is wonderful! I use it frequently from ConnectWise - we have a single machine on the network never sleep, and that machine wakes anyone I need - normally at least.
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@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
For the record, at home, I use the actual hibernation on 3 desktops ALL THE TIME. I never actually use shutdown. I can wake them up using my phone from anywhere. When I am done, I hibernate. That isn't to say that I don't reboot them from time to time.
While I generally hate it, I can make somewhat obvious cases for why actual hibernate would exist. I don't want it in any business because Windows seems unstable with it. It creates all kinds of support issues. But there is a reason for it to exist. But this weird half assed hibernation where the apps are shut down? That's useless.
Exactly. I disable hibernation at work. Sleep also creates all sorts of issues that a reboot will fix. All desktops have any type of sleep/hibernate disabled because there is no need and it potentially introduces all sorts of issues.
So you're a totally anti-green type guy.. no desire to save any electrical power
I am for efficiency. If sleep didn't cause problems and wake over wlan worked, I would do that.
Sleep definitely used to cause me all kinds of problems, though it seems to be working (in general) much better than it used it.
WOL - when it works is wonderful! I use it frequently from ConnectWise - we have a single machine on the network never sleep, and that machine wakes anyone I need - normally at least.
I have a lot more laptops on wifi only these days. I would love to get WOWL setup.
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@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
WOL - when it works is wonderful! I use it frequently from ConnectWise - we have a single machine on the network never sleep, and that machine wakes anyone I need - normally at least.
yeah, if everything honours that, it's a great feature.
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My problem seems to occur when the screen sleeps. So, if someone locks their system, the screen times out, then the system sleeps. The only thing that seems to work, is to disable the screen sleep, even when locked.
I found a similar registry entry (hat tip: https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/adjust-windows-10-lock-screen-timeout)
HKEYLOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\7516b95f-f776-4464-8c53-06167f40cc99\8EC4B3A5-6868-48c2-BE75-4F3044BE88A7 Change Attributes to 2After that, you should be able to see the "Console lock display off timeout" option in the Power Options>Advanced Settings>Display. Set it to 0 minutes.
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@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
My problem seems to occur when the screen sleeps. So, if someone locks their system, the screen times out, then the system sleeps. The only thing that seems to work, is to disable the screen sleep, even when locked.
I found a similar registry entry (hat tip: https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/adjust-windows-10-lock-screen-timeout)
HKEYLOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\7516b95f-f776-4464-8c53-06167f40cc99\8EC4B3A5-6868-48c2-BE75-4F3044BE88A7 Change Attributes to 2After that, you should be able to see the "Console lock display off timeout" option in the Power Options>Advanced Settings>Display. Set it to 0 minutes.
yeah, just like my timeout issue - you have to change a reg key to get visual access to change it in the GUI.
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@Dashrender said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
My problem seems to occur when the screen sleeps. So, if someone locks their system, the screen times out, then the system sleeps. The only thing that seems to work, is to disable the screen sleep, even when locked.
I found a similar registry entry (hat tip: https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/adjust-windows-10-lock-screen-timeout)
HKEYLOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\7516b95f-f776-4464-8c53-06167f40cc99\8EC4B3A5-6868-48c2-BE75-4F3044BE88A7 Change Attributes to 2After that, you should be able to see the "Console lock display off timeout" option in the Power Options>Advanced Settings>Display. Set it to 0 minutes.
yeah, just like my timeout issue - you have to change a reg key to get visual access to change it in the GUI.
yeah. Why did they do this? It is so stupid. Now, with the modern power "feature", you don't even get more than the balanced profile and they take away almost all the useful customization options.
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Trying to find the console lock display timeout settings for the GPO. Doesn't exist as far as I can tell. I guess I will just have to modify the reg and manually make the change.
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@wrx7m said in Windows 10 goes to sleep outside listed sleep times:
console lock display timeout
Found this command to run after you modify the reg key to enable the setting-
powercfg.exe /setacvalueindex SCHEME_CURRENT SUB_VIDEO VIDEOCONLOCK 0That will set the "Console lock display off timeout" option to 0 (never).
