Best Backup Solution for 2019
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@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
So a windows environment on ESX (not ESXi?) that needs 2-3TB of backup capabilities that offer local and remote storage repositories for backups.
correction ESXi
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.
Hmmm Sometime the company system will have a database corruption and we will need to restore from the last working backup. That should not be complicated.
Right, but creating a working backup is what you are asking for. So to have the option of restoring to a working backup, we need to know how to make a working backup.
Why are you asking a question and avoiding any possibility of a legitimate answer?
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
We are. Right now we are trying to determine the options and require you to tell us what you are backing up so that we know what options we even have.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
rsync, robocopy, xcopy, Urbackup, Acronis, Symantec BackupExec 2003
All of these are options, some which may be fine, some which might get you slapped by SAM for deploying today.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.
Hmmm Sometime the company system will have a database corruption and we will need to restore from the last working backup. That should not be complicated.
Basically it feels like you are saying that you don't need backups, because you already have backups. But that makes no sense. Either you are looking to replace the backups you have, in which case we need to know what the options are. Or you aren't actually trying to take a backup and just need a product called a backup that doesn't actually take the backup in which case just use anything you want since you already have the backups.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
rsync, robocopy, xcopy, Urbackup, Acronis, Symantec BackupExec 2003
All of these are options, some which may be fine, some which might get you slapped by SAM for deploying today.
are those appliance?
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
restore from the last working backup.
Isn't it important to know that a working backup exists? Rather than perhaps there being none?
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@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.
Hmmm Sometime the company system will have a database corruption and we will need to restore from the last working backup. That should not be complicated.
Basically it feels like you are saying that you don't need backups, because you already have backups. But that makes no sense. Either you are looking to replace the backups you have, in which case we need to know what the options are. Or you aren't actually trying to take a backup and just need a product called a backup that doesn't actually take the backup in which case just use anything you want since you already have the backups.
I thought its clear when i ask what are my options?
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
rsync, robocopy, xcopy, Urbackup, Acronis, Symantec BackupExec 2003
All of these are options, some which may be fine, some which might get you slapped by SAM for deploying today.
are those appliance?
Anything can be an appliance. What is the actual goal you are trying to accomplish?
If the only thing that matters is that you have purchased hardware, and not that you have a system that does anything in particular, you can just make a list of appliance vendors... Unitrends, Datto, Restoronix, etc. and buy whatever. If having working restores isn't a factor, literally anything is fine.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 why are you being an ask-hole?
Provide answers to the questions we've asked you, or don't ask a question at all. We can't possibly give an answer to what is the "Best Backup solution of 2019" without understanding the entire picture.
Dont focus on the best, you should focus on the options.
rsync, robocopy, xcopy, Urbackup, Acronis, Symantec BackupExec 2003
All of these are options, some which may be fine, some which might get you slapped by SAM for deploying today.
are those appliance?
No where in your original request is there any mention of an Appliance being required. But yes some of them are "Appliances" where others are CLI's.
Are you just asking what solutions are the most marketed today? Are you asking us for our opinion on the ads we see and subsequently ignore?
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
We will be backing up File Servers VM’s (2TB -3TB). Due to bandwidth limitations, I’m hoping to have offline backup and with an option to backup online when needed.
Let's start with the basics.... what operating system(s), what hypervisor(s), what file server(s)? There can be no meaningful answer without knowing even what is possible.
All M$ servers
Assuming Windows AD DC, Windows "Server" File Server, etc. Only the databases and LOB apps are really up in the air. Which of those are you trying to back up.
We want to backup in case of system crash. Or if we need to fire-up the server at head office.
Exactly, so to protect against a crash, you need a true backup, not a "crash consistent" backup. Crash consistent is all backup software by itself will address, and that does absolutely nothing to protect you from a crash, literally nothing. Because it restores as if you had just crashed. I'm asking these questions specifically so that we can talk about your options to protect against a crash.
Hmmm Sometime the company system will have a database corruption and we will need to restore from the last working backup. That should not be complicated.
Basically it feels like you are saying that you don't need backups, because you already have backups. But that makes no sense. Either you are looking to replace the backups you have, in which case we need to know what the options are. Or you aren't actually trying to take a backup and just need a product called a backup that doesn't actually take the backup in which case just use anything you want since you already have the backups.
I thought its clear when i ask what are my options?
Then clearly you aren't understanding because "clearly" is the last thing that it is. In no way is what your goals are clear. You are NOT looking for working backups, you already have backups, and you need backups. Those things are anything but clear when put together. Are you are are you not looking for a working backup system? If you say yes, then you must tell us all the details in order to have options.
If the thing you are looking for is not a backup, then you can choose any appliance at all, any, it doesn't matter.
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Heck, even Synology is a backup appliance.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Heck, even Synology is a backup appliance.
With hopes and prayers it is.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@scottalanmiller said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Heck, even Synology is a backup appliance.
With hopes and prayers it is.
Dear Lord, please bless this thine backup appliance, that with it we may smite thine enemies.
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Okay so ESXi environment with 2-3TB of data that is running primarily Windows workloads, needing daily backups with databases of some variety, needing capability to backup to both on premise and offsite.
Presumably MS SQL based on the Windows bit.
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Bottom line is... to answer any questions about actual backups, we have to know everything. Any answer without those is just someone pulling a fast one to try to see if you'll accept their insincere answer or someone trying to sell something. No legitimate answer can be made without full info, none, it's impossible (hence why we had a session on this at MangoCon.) This is the basics of backups.
So that you asked a question, implies you want an answer from us. For any actual answer, we have to wait for more info. People will give answers without that info, either to just see if you'll take the bait, or to promote a solution that they like or sell or whatever, or maybe they don't understand what they are answering and don't realize that their tool can't do what they think it does in all cases.
Any continuing discussion without knowing what the options could potentially be, makes zero sense. We have no goals to work from. No way to know what a viable solution might be.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Presumably MS SQL based on the Windows bit.
That's a long shot. Yeah, it's likely that there is some SQL Server in there. But only SQL Server, totally possibly, but not like super likely. Maybe 50/50 chance. Once you have any number of servers. Plus we need to know what version of AD, some AD can be backed up with some tools, others cannot. Depends on the version because AD uses a NoSQL DB that isn't SQL Server.
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Also worth noting any on-premise appliance will need at least 90TB of capacity to meet the request.
So lets just recommend a Supermicro board, with 24 drive bays, 5400 RPM WD Red 6TB configured for RAID5.
I think that's a solid choice right there!
