All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
died laughing
It's really not that bad. In an emergency, you get an option, and when not an emergency, you have some mobility.
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
That's a good option.
To do this we would be required to give everybody a stipend to pay for their cell phones. This would also mean that everyone has to have a cell phone. This would not work for the way that much of our call routing works.
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@Dashrender So some quick real numbers.
If you only needed 103 handsets, I think you can do the phone replacement for $9785. That's LESS than your Mitel upgrade.
If you need 122 it is more like $11,590.
In either case, I think you are looking a little high compared to what is really needed.
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
That's a good option.
To do this we would be required to give everybody a stipend to pay for their cell phones. This would also mean that everyone has to have a cell phone. This would not work for the way that much of our call routing works.
Only for those that want them. It's free and costs them nothing. So no stipend needed.
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
And is it realistic - please - I'm asking - what else am I missing?
of course I don't have the SIP to analog convertors in that price for the fax machines, so there's another $600 or so. what else?
I'm trying to determine what the decision number is. It seems like it should be closer to $11,000. Don't include "nice to haves", that's a false comparison. At $11,000, I think you can do the switch and improve the system. THEN you decide if the extra, nice to haves, are worth the EXTRA money.
Where are you getting $11,000?
Currently when the power goes out every phone continues to function. I would have to ask if the business believes that this is a requirement. Assuming that it is then. We also becomes a requirement. If not, then I could go on this extra place that you’re talking about -
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
That's a good option.
To do this we would be required to give everybody a stipend to pay for their cell phones. This would also mean that everyone has to have a cell phone. This would not work for the way that much of our call routing works.
Only for those that want them. It's free and costs them nothing. So no stipend needed.
Then no one of consequence would want it. We’d stull have to buy the same number of phones
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
The POE switches.
As just noted - I'd also need more UPS to cover power outage times - even if only for dedicated phones.If you are going PoE, the cost of the phones goes down. But this is purely a desire, not part of the decision cost.
PoE is always more expensive. But when you account for some phones to be up during a power outage (911, jsut to take messages that we will call back, etc). That cost is already a required functoin no matter what. It is a change required by moving from digital/analog to SIP based phones.
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
There are good reasons to go both ways. We find bricks to be better more often than not.
The lack of a need to plug another device in to a desk in an office is a large benefit actually.
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@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
There are good reasons to go both ways. We find bricks to be better more often than not.
The lack of a need to plug another device in to a desk in an office is a large benefit actually.
This one is actually pretty huge. We already have laptops and small desktop printers and label makers and other medical equipment plugged in. We have a power outlet shortage
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
The answer depends on how many phones you want working.
Normal draw is less than 5W per phone.
Here is a switch 100% used
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@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
The answer depends on how many phones you want working.
Normal draw is less than 5W per phone.
Here is a switch 100% used
.
Lol, It was a rhetorical question -
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
The answer depends on how many phones you want working.
Normal draw is less than 5W per phone.
Here is a switch 100% used
.
Lol, It was a rhetorical questionYou mentioned getting more UPS power. SO not really. It is a math question.
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
That's a good option.
To do this we would be required to give everybody a stipend to pay for their cell phones. This would also mean that everyone has to have a cell phone. This would not work for the way that much of our call routing works.
Only for those that want them. It's free and costs them nothing. So no stipend needed.
Yeah there is no stipend to pay at all. Since you have WiFi and everyone is reasonably expected to have WiFi in their lives that is free to use.
So there is no added cost that the employee would foot, so there is no added cost to pay out.
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
There are good reasons to go both ways. We find bricks to be better more often than not.
The lack of a need to plug another device in to a desk in an office is a large benefit actually.
This one is actually pretty huge. We already have laptops and small desktop printers and label makers and other medical equipment plugged in. We have a power outlet shortage
So you've never heard of power strips?
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@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
The answer depends on how many phones you want working.
Normal draw is less than 5W per phone.
Here is a switch 100% used
.
Lol, It was a rhetorical questionYou mentioned getting more UPS power. SO not really. It is a math question.
Yeah ok it was question for me... not that any of you could answer..
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@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
That's a good option.
To do this we would be required to give everybody a stipend to pay for their cell phones. This would also mean that everyone has to have a cell phone. This would not work for the way that much of our call routing works.
Only for those that want them. It's free and costs them nothing. So no stipend needed.
Yeah there is no stipend to pay at all. Since you have WiFi and everyone is reasonably expected to have WiFi in their lives that is free to use.
So there is no added cost that the employee would foot, so there is no added cost to pay out.
Our management and users don’t see it that way. Today it’s requires to provide your own works clothes, but not cell phones.... you want them to have to use one, then you provide or pay... but as scott said only those who want it... ok those few could have it, but it wouldn’t affect the number of phones we would need
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You could also opt to purchase a few $25 poe injectors for the few phones that are required to have power all of the time and feed that from your UPS.
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@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
That's a good option.
To do this we would be required to give everybody a stipend to pay for their cell phones. This would also mean that everyone has to have a cell phone. This would not work for the way that much of our call routing works.
Only for those that want them. It's free and costs them nothing. So no stipend needed.
Yeah there is no stipend to pay at all. Since you have WiFi and everyone is reasonably expected to have WiFi in their lives that is free to use.
So there is no added cost that the employee would foot, so there is no added cost to pay out.
That is not how that works.
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@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
You could also opt to purchase a few $25 poe injectors for the few phones that are required to have power all of the time and feed that from your UPS.
The cost difference for Poe switch vs non is 400$.... over 48 phones that’s less tha $10 ea
Let’s move on from POE
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
That's a good option.
To do this we would be required to give everybody a stipend to pay for their cell phones. This would also mean that everyone has to have a cell phone. This would not work for the way that much of our call routing works.
Only for those that want them. It's free and costs them nothing. So no stipend needed.
Yeah there is no stipend to pay at all. Since you have WiFi and everyone is reasonably expected to have WiFi in their lives that is free to use.
So there is no added cost that the employee would foot, so there is no added cost to pay out.
Our management and users don’t see it that way. Today it’s requires to provide your own works clothes, but not cell phones.... you want them to have to use one, then you provide or pay... but as scott said only those who want it... ok those few could have it, but it wouldn’t affect the number of phones we would need
A softphone on their computer is still a phone.
Just because you can also have a physical desk phone and a softphone on their mobile doesn't mean you're limited.
