All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
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Yealink T42S
The SIP-T21P is likely more in the price range he'll be able to afford once this comes through.
Only $46.99
There is not an afford thing here. The doctors likely wouldn't want us to use the shittiest little phones... spending more is OK... $100/phone would be pretty easy spend.
BUT they are okay with embarrassingly old shitty phones now. So that makes no sense. By that logic, they'd go to full VoIP right now for that very reason alone.
How do you know what phones are in place today?
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@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
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@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Yealink T42S
The SIP-T21P is likely more in the price range he'll be able to afford once this comes through.
Only $46.99
There is not an afford thing here. The doctors likely wouldn't want us to use the shittiest little phones... spending more is OK... $100/phone would be pretty easy spend.
BUT they are okay with embarrassingly old shitty phones now. So that makes no sense. By that logic, they'd go to full VoIP right now for that very reason alone.
How do you know what phones are in place today?
nvm
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
The POE switches.
As just noted - I'd also need more UPS to cover power outage times - even if only for dedicated phones. -
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Correct. It is simply a business call. Granted it is not a huge cost difference to get poe switches compare to power bricks when not included. And since you will certainly have many on UPS for survivability, the cost difference isn’t even very import because you need the PoE anyway.
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
The POE switches.
As just noted - I'd also need more UPS to cover power outage times - even if only for dedicated phones.Not by much. . . AC 100~240V input and DC 5V/2A output per phone.
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
And is it realistic - please - I'm asking - what else am I missing?
of course I don't have the SIP to analog convertors in that price for the fax machines, so there's another $600 or so. what else?
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@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
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died laughing
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
And is it realistic - please - I'm asking - what else am I missing?
of course I don't have the SIP to analog convertors in that price for the fax machines, so there's another $600 or so. what else?
I'd just go to a hosted fax service like HelloFax. Move all of the lines there and setup the mailbox to send directly to an employee (or a distribution list) so it can be printed.
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@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Correct. It is simply a business call. Granted it is not a huge cost difference to get poe switches compare to power bricks when not included. And since you will certainly have many on UPS for survivability, the cost difference isn’t even very import because you need the PoE anyway.
this is my thinking.
To the point I don't know that I'd even ask the business - I'd just make the decision myself.
POE for all. done. -
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
And is it realistic - please - I'm asking - what else am I missing?
of course I don't have the SIP to analog convertors in that price for the fax machines, so there's another $600 or so. what else?
I'd just go to a hosted fax service like HelloFax. Move all of the lines there and setup the mailbox to send directly to an employee (or a distribution list) so it can be printed.
have you priced that service at 21,000 pages a month? the last several HIPAA compliant ones I looked at were all over $700/month. Compared to today I pay $80/m for two fax lines.
Plus, this doesn't cover outgoing faxes. - I mean it could - but damn.. user's don't train well if at all.
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@Dashrender traditional fax service is HIPAA compliant. HA
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@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender traditional fax service is HIPAA compliant. HA
of course it is. HIPAA compliance and secure are not the same thing.
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@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Yealink T42S
The SIP-T21P is likely more in the price range he'll be able to afford once this comes through.
Only $46.99
There is not an afford thing here. The doctors likely wouldn't want us to use the shittiest little phones... spending more is OK... $100/phone would be pretty easy spend.
BUT they are okay with embarrassingly old shitty phones now. So that makes no sense. By that logic, they'd go to full VoIP right now for that very reason alone.
How do you know what phones are in place today?
Mitel Digital.
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@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Yealink T42S
The SIP-T21P is likely more in the price range he'll be able to afford once this comes through.
Only $46.99
There is not an afford thing here. The doctors likely wouldn't want us to use the shittiest little phones... spending more is OK... $100/phone would be pretty easy spend.
BUT they are okay with embarrassingly old shitty phones now. So that makes no sense. By that logic, they'd go to full VoIP right now for that very reason alone.
How do you know what phones are in place today?
Mitel Digital.
Haven't we been through most of this ad nauseum multiple times now?
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Why do you not want power bricks? There are good reasons to go both ways. We find bricks to be better more often than not.
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@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@JaredBusch said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
Moving to an alternative system whole sale would be a minimum of $100/phone - $12,200 + power bricks or POE switches for buildings 1(2 switches at $850/ea) and 3 (1 switch at $400).
That $100 would get you a Yealink T42S + power brick, easily. That is Amazon pricing. You can likely find lower cost by getting into distribution channels.
Yeah, T42S comes with the power brick for under $100! All in one box.
I know of no T4 series phone sthat ship with a power brick.
Telephony Depot has this. I created an account with them ages ago for a client. It does seem they only want resellers now though. So /shrug.
I really don't want power bricks - and I'm not sure that would be acceptable anyhow.
Which brings up another question - which phones must work during a power outage? Currently they ALL work because they are on UPS for POE/VOIP phones, or UPS on the digital system - at least as long as the battery is good - about 20 mins.
So the business could decide a smaller UPS and specific phones - or everything goes POE.
Or you get a softphone and install that on everyone's mobile.
Would work without power directly attached to the phone.
That's a good option.
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
The POE switches.
As just noted - I'd also need more UPS to cover power outage times - even if only for dedicated phones.If you are going PoE, the cost of the phones goes down. But this is purely a desire, not part of the decision cost.
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@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@scottalanmiller said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@Dashrender said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
@DustinB3403 said in All New VoIP Handsets for PBX Migration?:
The biggest issue most businesses have is the "but I have phones already, can't we just use it"?
So I'd imagine you'll have a battle to get that $12,200
No - the sunk cost thing really isn't the issue this time.
I have to spend $10K to update my old shit - or spent $14,300'ish to get all new...
Is $14,300 realistic? What's generating the last bit over the handsets, the gateways?
And is it realistic - please - I'm asking - what else am I missing?
of course I don't have the SIP to analog convertors in that price for the fax machines, so there's another $600 or so. what else?
I'm trying to determine what the decision number is. It seems like it should be closer to $11,000. Don't include "nice to haves", that's a false comparison. At $11,000, I think you can do the switch and improve the system. THEN you decide if the extra, nice to haves, are worth the EXTRA money.
