Vultr & abusive neighbors
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@NerdyDad LOL, I bet they don't have specific instances for Mangolassit IT accounts
I mean my Ubiquiti VM has been running fine but is a controller with low usage unless there is updates or changes. -
Kicking this thread back up because I am looking at RDSH on Vultr vs Azure. Are dedicated instances bare metal?
Ironically their marketing for dedicated instances clearly says "Goodbye Noisy Neighbors" I cant imagine a dedicated blade (guessing a single vm on KVM running on a blade) for the prices they offer.
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@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
Kicking this thread back up because I am looking at RDSH on Vultr vs Azure. Are dedicated instances bare metal?
No one would use bare metal. It would make them a laughingstock and no one could ever talk about them as a business class vendor again. And it would be unnecessarily costly and weird. It's just dedicated.
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@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
Ironically their marketing for dedicated instances clearly says "Goodbye Noisy Neighbors" I cant imagine a dedicated blade (guessing a single vm on KVM running on a blade) for the prices they offer.
Blades aren't cost effective. Very unlikely that they would use costly technology like that.
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Vultr dedicated definitely can't be physical since they offer VMs of partial servers. You need virtualization to carve up a server.
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@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
I cant imagine a dedicated blade (guessing a single vm on KVM running on a blade) for the prices they offer.
$240/mo for a single eight core CPU and 32GB RAM? That's trivially easy to do. They make great money on one of those instances. You can easily deploy a full 1U for that. In fact, for that price, I can easily afford to go to xByte, buy a server for you, ship it to Colocation America, pay for a 1U hosting plan and set it up for you. You don't need any economy of scale to make that plan financially profitable. That's $2,880/year revenue on a piece of hardware that only costs $800 to purchase!
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@NerdyDad Yes you are
In all seriousness I wouldn't run a PBX on anything that didn't have a dedicated resource pool (Transcoding can do funny things when it doesn't have equal access to the CPU clock). This is generally in the install guide for a lot of PBX systems.
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@scottalanmiller Check out OVH. Largest hosting provider in EMEA. BareMetal and you run your own whatever or dedicated vCenter/ESXi private cloud stuff.
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@John-Nicholson said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
@scottalanmiller Check out OVH. Largest hosting provider in EMEA. BareMetal and you run your own whatever or dedicated vCenter/ESXi private cloud stuff.
Someone here tested them and had problems I thought.
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@scottalanmiller I was actually looking at the $60 and $120 versions.
Was just thinking... click - click and I am up and running vs ordering and shipping to colo and using all the tools to install my software remotely.
At the $240 price point I agree with you though.
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@scottalanmiller said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
@John-Nicholson said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
@scottalanmiller Check out OVH. Largest hosting provider in EMEA. BareMetal and you run your own whatever or dedicated vCenter/ESXi private cloud stuff.
Someone here tested them and had problems I thought.
I'm using OVH. I'm not having any problems at all except for the ones I cause myself, ha ha ha.
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@scottalanmiller said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
Kicking this thread back up because I am looking at RDSH on Vultr vs Azure. Are dedicated instances bare metal?
No one would use bare metal. It would make them a laughingstock and no one could ever talk about them as a business class vendor again. And it would be unnecessarily costly and weird. It's just dedicated.
Yeah I was actually hoping it was not bare-metal and that it was at least a dedicated VM running on its own blade with some redundancy etc.
But I see what you are seeing, the resources are dedicated to that VM in KVM I suppose?
Anyway with the RDSH server I am deploying I don't want to risk any "noisy neighbors" so that caught my I. Incredible value in cost vs Azure, which I initially completely miscalculated.
And I am curious to see if Vultr has less latency than Azure at this point.
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@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
@scottalanmiller I was actually looking at the $60 and $120 versions.
Was just thinking... click - click and I am up and running vs ordering and shipping to colo and using all the tools to install my software remotely.
At the $240 price point I agree with you though.
Right, but those lower prices are just shared on the hardware. So the total always comes out to $240/mo/server for Vultr. So sure, if you just 1/4th of a server for $60/mo. But you get so little for that. When would that be worth it?
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@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
Yeah I was actually hoping it was not bare-metal and that it was at least a dedicated VM running on its own blade with some redundancy etc.
But I see what you are seeing, the resources are dedicated to that VM in KVM I suppose?
Yes, that's what it is. And no, you would never want a blade, ever. Not as the buyer, not as a customer. Blade = costly, risky and slow. Blades have a few use cases where they make sense, but as the customer you'd never wish for a blade. Blades are just "corners cut" on good servers.
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@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
Anyway with the RDSH server I am deploying I don't want to risk any "noisy neighbors" so that caught my I. Incredible value in cost vs Azure, which I initially completely miscalculated.
Generally you do want to risk noisy neighbours. That's how you get better performance. Like many things in IT, the cost of guaranteeing performance is generally so high that only in very rare circumstances would you want it. For example, do you want guaranteed low performance all the time? Or be really fast 99% of the time but fluctuate?
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@scottalanmiller said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
Anyway with the RDSH server I am deploying I don't want to risk any "noisy neighbors" so that caught my I. Incredible value in cost vs Azure, which I initially completely miscalculated.
Generally you do want to risk noisy neighbours. That's how you get better performance. Like many things in IT, the cost of guaranteeing performance is generally so high that only in very rare circumstances would you want it. For example, do you want guaranteed low performance all the time? Or be really fast 99% of the time but fluctuate?
Looking at specs for RDSH and the dedicated instances vs Virtual.. I only need so much RAM and so many CPU cores.
So the cost of going dedicated vs virtual is about the same. Would it make the most sense in that case for me to go dedicated for this instance?
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Alsoc @scottalanmiller you had mentioned NY/NJ is the "good data center" lol. If I'm 10 hours for NYC and 5 Hours from Chicago should I still go to NYC/Jersey? There is BLOB storage there...
The only advantage I can think of for virtual over dedicated is the snapshots. I feel like going dedicated would eliminate performance risks.
Head spinning...
Still not as confusing as Azure though...
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@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
Alsoc @scottalanmiller you had mentioned NY/NJ is the "good data center" lol. If I'm 10 hours for NYC and 5 Hours from Chicago should I still go to NYC/Jersey? There is BLOB storage there...
Yes, definitely. It has what you need.
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Magolassi needs a beer money feature, truly.. thanks!
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@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
@scottalanmiller said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
@bigbear said in Vultr & abusive neighbors:
Anyway with the RDSH server I am deploying I don't want to risk any "noisy neighbors" so that caught my I. Incredible value in cost vs Azure, which I initially completely miscalculated.
Generally you do want to risk noisy neighbours. That's how you get better performance. Like many things in IT, the cost of guaranteeing performance is generally so high that only in very rare circumstances would you want it. For example, do you want guaranteed low performance all the time? Or be really fast 99% of the time but fluctuate?
Looking at specs for RDSH and the dedicated instances vs Virtual.. I only need so much RAM and so many CPU cores.
So the cost of going dedicated vs virtual is about the same. Would it make the most sense in that case for me to go dedicated for this instance?
The cost of both shouldn't be close. How are you figuring that? A 4 vCPU system shared with 8GB RAM is $40, and a dedicated is 2vCPU with 8GB RAM for $60. That's 50% more expensive by RAM and 300% more by CPU.
