@John-Nicholson said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:

@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:

@John-Nicholson said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:

@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:

@Jimmy9008 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:

In the states, can new employers see what you made in previous jobs?

No, only if you disclose it.

I have seem a request for a current pay stub to prove your work history for a background check as a weird way around this. Seemed silly to me.

Not sure I'd be willing to work at that place - shows a HUGE amount of distrust. The previous/current employer should be willing to at least confirm that you were employed there.

it's interesting that some here seem to feel that a new employer should limit what they pay you based upon what you made at the previous employer. When I was new to IT, I made several huge jumps in salary. 50%, 40%, 35% increases over the last few. An internal promotion would almost certainly never provided those kinds of increases.

Deepends. I went from something like 56 --> 70 ---> 100 in the span of less than 18 months as I moved provisionally into a management role, then formally into it.

Was all of that inside the same company? or 56 company 1 -> 70 company 2 (provisional management) -> 100 company 2 (formally management)?

But again, what does having your paystub from a past employer have to do with anything?

see @deathofasellout ... joining a community like this is great. you've successfully got them riled up with your first post. good luck 🙂

@scottalanmiller please, means phyton better than java??

I use the "fuck off" attitude every day.

I think people can read it on my face..

RIT has a well respected Engineering Program. Clarkson University does as well. Syracuse University did but I think it's gone down hill since the 80s. SUNY IT/Poly, whatever they want to call themselves, has well regarded one in the SUNY system not sure how that translates to the outside world. Looks like they closed that program down. Scratch that.

@techgameteddy said in Looking to Move from Windows to Linux Administration:

@scottalanmiller To obtain the RHCSE you need to get the RHCSA first dont you? Should I focus on getting those at all then? Im definitely going to create a Media Server this weekend and a wordpress server at home. This is good information. Im also going to look into Containers too. I have noticed that its become a hot topic these days.

The RHCE does seem to bring in job options. But certs, in general, are not a path to Linux jobs. I would focus more on gaining skills and experience. Volunteer work can do wonders for getting into Linux.

Also.... getting resources on current and old technology and techniques is easy, these things are tested, documented, tried and true. They are well known. We can Google those things or talk to experienced people - knowledge on them is readily available. As long as we are training on current technology and techniques, it is trivial to get resources to gap us over on those occasions when we need to work on older ones.

For example, someone training on Windows Server 2016 can easy use Windows 2000. But a person training on Windows 2000 will have a much larger learning curve working on Windows Server 2016. And the person with the 2016 training and experience can bring valuable knowledge to working on 2000 (like how to use it to best prepare for updating later) that does not exist in the opposite direction.

@IRJ said in SNHU:

I know several people that have CISSP that don't know the first thing about security so I would stay away from that cert unless your goal is to be paper pusher.

I can say the same thing about nearly every college grad that I meet 🙂

No thoughts? advice?

@IRJ said in Logical IT Certification Progression:

@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:

@scottalanmiller said in Logical IT Certification Progression:

@Dashrender said in Logical IT Certification Progression:

@guyinpv said in Logical IT Certification Progression:

al details. I don't regret buying or reading through any of them. Books on Windows, DOS, printers, networks, repair and troubleshooting techniques, system design and building, etc etc. All of that is good.

Answer questions posed at an interview.

Besides, bench techs don't think, according to @scottalanmiller, they work by script - aka, reading a script and doing what it says. Once you have to start making decisions, you're no longer a bench tech, you're in IT.

Not quite, but that's closer. Bench is about tech, about consumer gear or business stuff that falls into consumer spaces. IT is "Business Information Infrastructure."

Lots of bench people make decisions. Like if you are building a white box desktop for a gamer, the bench guy will likely make several decisions from CPU to GPU to RAM to case and power supply. It's not a script, but it is not BII, either.

hey - you're making it grey again 😛

There isn't nearly as many strictly hardware people anymore these days.

Not nearly, most are in datacenters now.

@Tracy_Burton said in New to It looking for help!!:

I say discovering and being exposed to multiple facets of the industry is the best place to start. If I we're just starting out right now and looking for some courses/certs, I would lean toward Certified Ethical Hacker or Linux Administration.

So my question, I think, is how do we:

Catalogue the knowledge needed for IT? I know of this done, literally, nowhere. Create a path or curriculum for learning these things? Create a means to present comprehensive basic, foundational IT knowledge?

Very valid points and questions, but in today's "IT age", even if we could catalog and/or collect all of this info into one place, it could still take years to review and learn from it, especially for "beginners". IT has become so vast and diverse that it's impossible for a true "renaissance man" to exist; nobody can "know it all".

It's unfortunate that someone with SAM's experience level and understanding could ever be seen as "stupid" for not knowing one little thing in a sea of information, but in general, that's one of the coolest things about IT: because it's so vast, "masters" always have an opportunity to learn things from beginners.

@BRRABill said in System Administrator - Newburgh, Indiana:

@RamblingBiped said

It is a nice little city on the Ohio. It is off to it's own small corner of the state and maintains an identity all it's own. We don't even share the same time zone as the rest of the state! 🙂

See, @scottalanmiller , UTC to the rescue! 😉

Indiana really needs it. They use to have FOUR time zones in one state!

I think that he skips mentioning that PPP, the Point to Point Protocol is not a VPN protocol. Even in the 1990s it was not considered that as it is not virtually private, as a VPN is. It's useful to have mentioned here and the Network+ might require it and it is certainly good to know and understand, but he lists it along with VPN protocols and I didn't hear him ever point out that it isn't a VPN Protocol even though it was the first one mentioned in the VPN Protocol list.

@scottalanmiller pretty sure i will suggest ML.