@hobbit666 said in Starting in the VoIP world:

@JaredBusch said in Starting in the VoIP world:

Some VoIP providers sell SIP with limits like POTS because people are stupid and have no idea what they are buying.

My god it's a pain to find this i'm struging to find a supplier in the UK that says 1 SIP trunk allow x calls lots say 1 trunk = 1 call

At least this one shows 2 in 100 out
https://www.sipgate.co.uk/trunking/?_ga=1.160668603.749701357.1489158455

Good god man use twilio elastic trunks and a c@c virty. It'll be fine. ️

@Breffni-Potter said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@dafyre said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@Breffni-Potter said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@dafyre said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

What kind of pricing are you seeing ?

Very good pricing

This is a good thing! How about what is the price per device?

I don't know what the list price is as I got a bulk order with integration options. Also the UK market pricing might well be different to the US market pricing, basically just go talk to them.

Give me the price so I can forget about this product!

Has anyone put windows 10 enterprise or N (msdn) on vultr. I'm uploading a slipstreamed ISO with the disc drivers now. Just wandering if I'll be disappointed. And even if it works will performance be ok?

Just want to use this to test a client app I'm developing without wasting time putting this bloatware OS on my laptop.

@masterarts would like to see more amazon workdocs integrations out there.

Or any...

@JaredBusch said in Hidden VoIP.ms restrictions:

@rustcohle said in Hidden VoIP.ms restrictions:

With flowroute I watch my rtp stream go to the terminating carrier they are sending me to.

Who cares about this. You buy service. You stop caring once you hand off to them. If they cannot provide quality and you have a solid hand off, you find a different provider.

I think the transparent approach is preferable. Also they are the only pure SIP CLEC I've seen to date.

Not sure if voip.ms has their own interconnects to local exchanges though, seems possible with all their proxy locations.

I watched a VUC episode when flowroute was on years back and I agreed with a lot the guy had to say about the state of Clecs and providers like bandwidth. I had just always assumed voip.ms was more of a hobbyist provider like pbxes.com

Then again, maybe pbxes.com is also used a lot in production....

@JaredBusch said in Hidden VoIP.ms restrictions:

@rustcohle said in Hidden VoIP.ms restrictions:

But I'm curious to see that everyone is using voip.ms for production environments.

I do not qualify myself and one or two others as everyone.

Nor do I, I see it a lot around.

@JaredBusch I guess the point against this is whether voip.ms hide their crappy voice network behind a fast proxy.

With flowroute I watch my rtp stream go to the terminating carrier they are sending me to.

Also flowroute has a prettier website. But I'm curious to see that everyone is using voip.ms for production environments. It doesnt matter but I feel like voip.ms has a website that's going to steal my credit card and sell it to India...

@JaredBusch they actually only carry signal and route media directly to the clec they are terminating to. I think they have a Cali and Texas proxy.

They are different though in that they don't have an actual network. They do incredible things with correcting bad sip and rtp streams.

Curious as to why so many use Voip.ms over Flowroute. I myself discovered flowroute before Voip.ms - but I like the way the process media directly to the carrier.

Doesn't Voip.ms route all media to its Seattle server? Are costs/performance any different on Voip.ms?

Last I tried Twilio's trunking service it left much to be desired. I wouldn't trust my DID's to them, but maybe to save on termination.

I had the same issue, same solution before Cisco owner meraki.

Cisco also has a habit of flat dropping features and whole products after acquisition. I had an engineering firm who was floored when they dropped wan caching the other year. They bacially said "it doesn't work very well so we quick". Same thing with rebadging of qnap devices. Same thing with Linksys. Same thing with Cisco webmail, which I actually loved. I could go on...

Faxstation, formerly faxbochs or something of the sort, works flawlessly and gives companies exactly what they really want - the use of a fax machine.

It takes the fax transmission locally, converts to a doc, sends to Sangoma servers then is manually faxes to the receiving party. And vice versa.

@scottalanmiller I tried selling consulting and fraction cio services, we made all our money 10 years ago selling something we called joint venture. It was a lease with services and hardware that covered everything from desktops to servers to internet and phone, even if a custom iOS app was on the roadmap we financed it in. That made all the money.

I remember one client I couldn't get to buy an $8500 annual consulting block and I was going to help them purchase setup and support everything. Switching to the joint venture approach I made $30k/year of them.

But there were servers, the old margin=mystery. I sold that company in 2009, moved to Florida with my family and came back and wasted more than half of it on my own cloud start up. Then from 2014 to now I've sorta been in limbo. As the $$$ is closing to running out in asking myself whether I become an employee somewhere or whether I go back into consulting full time.

Also asking myself why i blew off financial planning for a pipe dream lol

@scottalanmiller that's interesting. So you wouldn't sell a service you configured like virtual desktops or hosted pbx as the service itself?

Setup, customization and management. Development?

@scottalanmiller what's your unit of sales look like? All labor? Retainers and project based quotes? MRR?

Does the customer buy all the hardware from CDW and the like?

@scottalanmiller what are you using? O365? Other?

Are you writing code, developing solutions? Or for time infrastructure management?

@scottalanmiller while I agree, many relationships in the late nineties and early 2000's were born of a simple need, some random pain point. Being a hardware provider was at least a point of engagement.

Do you avoid everything and sell only consulting retainers and "managed services". The latter of which I recognize most to be 90% micro managing windows desktops and providing level 1 help desk.

What's the sales pitch now a days? What's the thing people are searching for, how do they even know to search for anything other than a massive cloud app they can deploy and control themselves?

@scottalanmiller what kind of things are you seeing growth in?

I feel like small biz server and the need for hardware used to be the starting point for a relationship, then projects could be built on top of that as the relationship formed.

Now, clickity clack g suite and what is left built to develop line of biz apps -- wherever some massive g suite compatible app isn't already there to fill that gap for $10/u/m add-on.

For relationships you've already formed over the last 10 to 20 years no big deal. But how do you really market yourself now? I have found paid search marketing to be so-so. 10 years ago you could call around and 3 of 100 businesses would say "oh we need help with that, our system sucks".

Sorry I'm talking through several stiff drams of scotch...

:man_dancing_tone1:

Nice, as a marketing firm geared towards MSP/IT Providers I want to ask a few questions...

1.) Are SMB IT Service providers screwed because of the onslaught of Cloud and IT Consumerization

2.) If I cant sell my customer a server anymore, what can I sell them? My service? My time? My soul???

3.) Is Office 365 Microsoft's way of getting back at me for all those illegal Windows XP installs?

What is this place I have stumbled upon? What is MangoLassi? MangoCon?

Great site, just curious as to who started it and whats it all about.