More cloud-baby BS. Imagine son, in the early 2000's any SMB or Mid Market companies top expense was maintaining their Exchange Server farms, it was probably 80% of my billables up until Google Apps took off.

These are cost effective against outage risk factors on a 1 to 20 ratio against. Outages were so constant it literally killed the ASP movement. Anyway remember "Application Server Providers". Salesforce is the only one who survived it.

This generation has yet to see a real outage.

@aaronstuder Thats a loaded questions. In short its about scale and security.

Containers are better for scale, but much harder to secure.

Virtual Machines are isolated but there is no scalability beyond the resources you assign it.

Developers are more likely to use containers, sysadmins are more likely to design VM farms that are app specific.

This is a gross generalization but the question was also very broad.

What is this place I have stumbled upon? What is MangoLassi? MangoCon?

Great site, just curious as to who started it and whats it all about.

I had a large public school system client where the IT Director left a couple years into my relationship with them. It was a sudden move and the district quickly moved the tech-illiterate highschool librarian into her role...

It was a good and profitable account for the next 3 years until they finally replaced her.

We do Yealink 48G with WF40 module all the time, prior to that we used Snom wifi 5+ years ago, which was maybe the only option then. Works great, no issues above wired networks if you have a decent wifi network deployed (UBNT, Ruckus, etc)

@masterarts would like to see more amazon workdocs integrations out there.

Or any...

Has anyone put windows 10 enterprise or N (msdn) on vultr. I'm uploading a slipstreamed ISO with the disc drivers now. Just wandering if I'll be disappointed. And even if it works will performance be ok?

Just want to use this to test a client app I'm developing without wasting time putting this bloatware OS on my laptop.

@hobbit666 said in Starting in the VoIP world:

@JaredBusch said in Starting in the VoIP world:

Some VoIP providers sell SIP with limits like POTS because people are stupid and have no idea what they are buying.

My god it's a pain to find this i'm struging to find a supplier in the UK that says 1 SIP trunk allow x calls lots say 1 trunk = 1 call

At least this one shows 2 in 100 out
https://www.sipgate.co.uk/trunking/?_ga=1.160668603.749701357.1489158455

Good god man use twilio elastic trunks and a c@c virty. It'll be fine. ️

@Breffni-Potter said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@dafyre said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@Breffni-Potter said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@dafyre said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

What kind of pricing are you seeing ?

Very good pricing

This is a good thing! How about what is the price per device?

I don't know what the list price is as I got a bulk order with integration options. Also the UK market pricing might well be different to the US market pricing, basically just go talk to them.

Give me the price so I can forget about this product!

@hobbit666 said in Starting in the VoIP world:

@JaredBusch said in Starting in the VoIP world:

Some VoIP providers sell SIP with limits like POTS because people are stupid and have no idea what they are buying.

My god it's a pain to find this i'm struging to find a supplier in the UK that says 1 SIP trunk allow x calls lots say 1 trunk = 1 call

At least this one shows 2 in 100 out
https://www.sipgate.co.uk/trunking/?_ga=1.160668603.749701357.1489158455

Good god man use twilio elastic trunks and a c@c virty. It'll be fine. ️

@Breffni-Potter said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@dafyre said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@Breffni-Potter said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

@dafyre said in Ninja RMM - Really good tool:

What kind of pricing are you seeing ?

Very good pricing

This is a good thing! How about what is the price per device?

I don't know what the list price is as I got a bulk order with integration options. Also the UK market pricing might well be different to the US market pricing, basically just go talk to them.

Give me the price so I can forget about this product!

Has anyone put windows 10 enterprise or N (msdn) on vultr. I'm uploading a slipstreamed ISO with the disc drivers now. Just wandering if I'll be disappointed. And even if it works will performance be ok?

Just want to use this to test a client app I'm developing without wasting time putting this bloatware OS on my laptop.

@masterarts would like to see more amazon workdocs integrations out there.

Or any...

@JaredBusch said in Hidden VoIP.ms restrictions:

@rustcohle said in Hidden VoIP.ms restrictions:

With flowroute I watch my rtp stream go to the terminating carrier they are sending me to.

Who cares about this. You buy service. You stop caring once you hand off to them. If they cannot provide quality and you have a solid hand off, you find a different provider.

I think the transparent approach is preferable. Also they are the only pure SIP CLEC I've seen to date.

Not sure if voip.ms has their own interconnects to local exchanges though, seems possible with all their proxy locations.

I watched a VUC episode when flowroute was on years back and I agreed with a lot the guy had to say about the state of Clecs and providers like bandwidth. I had just always assumed voip.ms was more of a hobbyist provider like pbxes.com

Then again, maybe pbxes.com is also used a lot in production....

@JaredBusch said in Hidden VoIP.ms restrictions:

@rustcohle said in Hidden VoIP.ms restrictions:

But I'm curious to see that everyone is using voip.ms for production environments.

I do not qualify myself and one or two others as everyone.

Nor do I, I see it a lot around.

@JaredBusch I guess the point against this is whether voip.ms hide their crappy voice network behind a fast proxy.

With flowroute I watch my rtp stream go to the terminating carrier they are sending me to.

Also flowroute has a prettier website. But I'm curious to see that everyone is using voip.ms for production environments. It doesnt matter but I feel like voip.ms has a website that's going to steal my credit card and sell it to India...

@JaredBusch they actually only carry signal and route media directly to the clec they are terminating to. I think they have a Cali and Texas proxy.

They are different though in that they don't have an actual network. They do incredible things with correcting bad sip and rtp streams.

Curious as to why so many use Voip.ms over Flowroute. I myself discovered flowroute before Voip.ms - but I like the way the process media directly to the carrier.

Doesn't Voip.ms route all media to its Seattle server? Are costs/performance any different on Voip.ms?

Last I tried Twilio's trunking service it left much to be desired. I wouldn't trust my DID's to them, but maybe to save on termination.

I had the same issue, same solution before Cisco owner meraki.

Cisco also has a habit of flat dropping features and whole products after acquisition. I had an engineering firm who was floored when they dropped wan caching the other year. They bacially said "it doesn't work very well so we quick". Same thing with rebadging of qnap devices. Same thing with Linksys. Same thing with Cisco webmail, which I actually loved. I could go on...