@Son-of-Jor-El said in Non-IT News Thread:
@art_of_shred said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Non-IT News Thread:
I love Ford Raptors too, so this is funny and sad all at the same time.
More balls than brainsTypical Ford owner, that for sure! LOLFTFY
I don't know man, I own a Ford and I'm not jumping off shit!! LOL
It was really more about the lack of brains than the presence of balls... just sayin'
@Son-of-Jor-El said in Non-IT News Thread:
I love Ford Raptors too, so this is funny and sad all at the same time.
More balls than brainsTypical Ford owner, that for sure! LOL
FTFY
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@art_of_shred said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@art_of_shred looks like Dave Lombardo is their current drummer. That'll do.
I guess Slayer isn't touring right now?
Looks that way. Suicidal is supposed to be back here late April as well, maybe Slayer isn't touring this year at all?
Oh, he left Slayer again and is full-time with S.T. since last February (and we have the same birthday).
@JaredBusch said in Need suggestions for IP desk phone that works with wifi:
@Dashrender said in Need suggestions for IP desk phone that works with wifi:
@JaredBusch said in Need suggestions for IP desk phone that works with wifi:
@Dashrender said in Need suggestions for IP desk phone that works with wifi:
Why do WiFi phones instead of DECT phones?
Umm, because I said the office is 100% wireless?
How the hell would I connect a desk phone with DECT?
The assumption is that you have Wireless Access Points. If you have those, then you have a switch. If you're lucky, there is an open port for the DECT and you can plug the DECT into that port. It might require you to run a new cable to the area you want to support the DECT.
Show me a DECT desk phone. I have never seen one.
Just wireless handsets, AFAIK.
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@art_of_shred looks like Dave Lombardo is their current drummer. That'll do.
I guess Slayer isn't touring right now?
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@NattNatt said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Finished for the weekend! Woooo, got to take my Cat to the vets tonight, then Paintballing tomorrow!
Does the cat hold its own? I mean defensively it has to be hard to hit. But how good is its aim?
Probably better then expected. Cats basically want to kill all humans as it is.
It's the lack of opposable that concerns me, here.
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
At the beach in Avola.
Did we remember sunscreen today?
Hat
At least your head is protected... what about the rest of you?
Could be a really large hat...
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Going to see Suicidal Tendencies tonight!!!! Hopefully Trujillo will be on bass, looks like there is a gap in Metallica's tour schedule, but we shall see. Stoked either way.
Jimmy DeGrasso drumming still?
I didn't mean to derail the thread with my question. Sorry about that.
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@art_of_shred said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@IRJ said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
The big question for me is do you have to install an operating system and/or use an operating system license?
That's useful but, often the answer is yes or no in nearly all cases. I can't think of any uniformity there.
If it comes as an appliance by the terms I described, no you would never have to install or license an OS.
Windows PCs need to be managed at the OS layer, though. Not really an appliance. Can you use them as they come? Yes, you "can", but should not (aka you are responsible for managing them, the default install is just a demo - it's not meant to be used that way so it fails intention) and if anything goes wrong, you are the only one managing the OS, reinstalling, updating, etc.
They have automatic updates. I don't manage my Windows PC at the OS level, and I would doubt that 90% of people do. I've not once ever had to do a registry edit on a personal PC, or touch the OS in any way. And it comes installed and licensed.
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@IRJ said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
The big question for me is do you have to install an operating system and/or use an operating system license?
That's useful but, often the answer is yes or no in nearly all cases. I can't think of any uniformity there.
If it comes as an appliance by the terms I described, no you would never have to install or license an OS.
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@art_of_shred said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@art_of_shred said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@art_of_shred said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@black3dynamite said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
Appliance more of a pre-configured device?
Kind of. But what about after you start using it?
Depends if you start messing with it in ways not intended by its manufacturer...
That's what we ran into earlier... what constitutes the manufacturer? The one that made the real system, or the one that tacked some stuff onto it?
Now I think you're splitting hairs to be overly myopic. Whose logo is on the product you bought? That's the manufacturer.
So... that goes back to the original question... literally slapping branding on a product or just a web page on it, that's all it takes? That's the "painting your car and calling yourself a manufacturer" conundrum. It's hairier than it sounds because several commonly accepted appliances, like FreePBX, are 99.9999999% made by one company, the tiniest additional thing is slapped on top with no functional differences - basically just cosmetic changes, and now it is an appliance?
Sure. Why not? What does that violate?
Well it makes it not an IT differentiation but purely a marketing one. It means that you can take anything that is not an appliance, and simply hand to someone else and it is the act of "calling" it an appliance that makes it one, not the intent of its creation or any technical aspect of it.
That's not what you said, though. You just said that because they ONLY added something small, should that count. They still added something proprietary to the package and then slapped their name on it. They altered it in a way that belongs only to them. It doesn't mean you can't recognize what it's built on, but the result is 100% theirs.
If I start a company and all I do is take brand new cars, peel off the badges, paint them a custom-mixed purple that I give a trademarked name to, and then slap my brand on them and sell them, guess what? They are very obviously not built by me from the ground up, but they legally belong to me alone. If there was a manufacturer's name to be placed on the title, it would be my brand.
Experience has taught me that VOIP desk phones over wifi is too jittery. Have you had differing results?
@JaredBusch said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
@art_of_shred said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
@JaredBusch said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
@art_of_shred said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
@scottalanmiller said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
Art beat me. The Snowball is supposed to be one of the best.
We have the older white one, and never had a single issue with it... even in Africa. I think that one might not work with Windows 10 or something, though. I can't recall.
I have heard that they are great, but it seems overkill for a single office user for limited gotomeeting participation.
Then why not just use the mic on a headset or something?
That is obviously an option being discussed. I wanted something a bit better. Just dunno if $45 better is more than they want to use to deal with it.
Ah, so this is for a "someone other than yourself" use case.
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@art_of_shred said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@art_of_shred said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@black3dynamite said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
Appliance more of a pre-configured device?
Kind of. But what about after you start using it?
Depends if you start messing with it in ways not intended by its manufacturer...
That's what we ran into earlier... what constitutes the manufacturer? The one that made the real system, or the one that tacked some stuff onto it?
Now I think you're splitting hairs to be overly myopic. Whose logo is on the product you bought? That's the manufacturer.
So... that goes back to the original question... literally slapping branding on a product or just a web page on it, that's all it takes? That's the "painting your car and calling yourself a manufacturer" conundrum. It's hairier than it sounds because several commonly accepted appliances, like FreePBX, are 99.9999999% made by one company, the tiniest additional thing is slapped on top with no functional differences - basically just cosmetic changes, and now it is an appliance?
Sure. Why not? What does that violate?
@JaredBusch said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
@art_of_shred said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
@scottalanmiller said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
Art beat me. The Snowball is supposed to be one of the best.
We have the older white one, and never had a single issue with it... even in Africa. I think that one might not work with Windows 10 or something, though. I can't recall.
I have heard that they are great, but it seems overkill for a single office user for limited gotomeeting participation.
Then why not just use the mic on a headset or something?
@scottalanmiller said in Need a desktop USB mic recommendation:
Art beat me. The Snowball is supposed to be one of the best.
We have the older white one, and never had a single issue with it... even in Africa. I think that one might not work with Windows 10 or something, though. I can't recall.
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@art_of_shred said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@black3dynamite said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
Appliance more of a pre-configured device?
Kind of. But what about after you start using it?
Depends if you start messing with it in ways not intended by its manufacturer...
That's what we ran into earlier... what constitutes the manufacturer? The one that made the real system, or the one that tacked some stuff onto it?
Now I think you're splitting hairs to be overly myopic. Whose logo is on the product you bought? That's the manufacturer.
@scottalanmiller said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
@art_of_shred said in What Makes Something An Appliance:
I would absolutely put a Windows PC in this category. Remember when some PC's used to come with the "break this seal and void the warranty" sticker on the back of the case? The point is that it's not intended to be a user-serviced item. To me, that's the defining characteristic.
What about a Windows Server?
Does it come as a fully-functioning unit that you just power up and do minimal configuration to? If so, I would have to say yes.
