Axigen X Released
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@aaronstuder said:
@DustinB3403 Can you setup Exchange in just a couple hours? Can you run Exchange without Active Directory?
Without AD no, at least not easily. (nor have I ever seen anyone try)
But then the question is why would you try to use Exchange without AD. If the target base is customers who don't have a Linux Guy, they also don't have a Windows Guy?
So then the only question is, why not use a fully hosted solution?
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@aaronstuder said:
@DustinB3403 Can you setup Exchange in just a couple hours?
Someone can, I can't.
Zimbra I can set up in about ten minutes, though. I even have a nice guide on ML on it. Beating Exchange is super easy, it's beating the Zimbras that takes work. Exchange is a rather low bar. -
Point 9: They have out of the box push.
What protocol does it use? I'm not sure. But lots of their competition don't include push, only pull, at least out of the box for free. Zimbra has push, but not in the free and open version, for example.
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Those are the points that I see not overlapping with Zimbra, at least not potentially. Of course anyone's good points are going to overlap with someone else's so that's not bad.
Basically Axigen is up against Exchange and Zimbra most of the time, maybe mDaemon sometimes. Exchange and mDaemon do supported Windows deployments but are not free. Comparing cost would be a factor there, I've not looked at the licensing costs across them to see.
Once you are "willing to leave Exchange" and stuck on Windows, Axigen seems like it hits that space hard. I know of no one that is open and in that space. But needing Windows licensing means you are in an expensive space no matter what. But lots of people are stuck there, so that makes sense. When I first asked about the value, their site made a big deal about Linux and I never saw Windows, so this was a huge part of why I was confused about why you were interested in it.
Once on Linux or willing to be on Linux, Zimbra seems to be the main competitor. Zimbra is hard to compete with simply because free, open and been around a long time do a lot to get you a lot of ground quickly. But being free, Zimbra has issues getting access to some protocols and libraries that they want to use for push messaging. This is a much harder to compete in space, but appears to be far less of the target audience, but the website made it look like this was where they were aiming.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I hate Word documents... so hard to copy/paste here...
Point 3: Summarizing is that the web interface just rocks.
This is a hard one to quantify and would need to be played around with. This was Zimbra's point against Exchange a decade ago, their web client was better (according to everyone I knew and even eWeek) than Outlook's fat client. Has Zimbra kept up? No. Is it bad, no. It is pretty good. But there is a lot of room for someone like Axigen to make a vastly superior web client experience here. This is where I would see a potential (but I have no idea yet) place for them to swoop in with value. Zimbra hasn't stopped here, but they've slowed to nearly the point of stagnation. They kind of gave up with 'good enough' and let it go for too long. Much like Exchange in other areas.
I'd be open to playing with Axigen here and seeing if this holds up.
Go to www.axigen.com and click the WebMail Demo
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@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I hate Word documents... so hard to copy/paste here...
Point 3: Summarizing is that the web interface just rocks.
This is a hard one to quantify and would need to be played around with. This was Zimbra's point against Exchange a decade ago, their web client was better (according to everyone I knew and even eWeek) than Outlook's fat client. Has Zimbra kept up? No. Is it bad, no. It is pretty good. But there is a lot of room for someone like Axigen to make a vastly superior web client experience here. This is where I would see a potential (but I have no idea yet) place for them to swoop in with value. Zimbra hasn't stopped here, but they've slowed to nearly the point of stagnation. They kind of gave up with 'good enough' and let it go for too long. Much like Exchange in other areas.
I'd be open to playing with Axigen here and seeing if this holds up.
Go to www.axigen.com and click the WebMail Demo
Oh sure, make me jump through all of these hoops....
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@scottalanmiller said:
@axigen said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I hate Word documents... so hard to copy/paste here...
Point 3: Summarizing is that the web interface just rocks.
This is a hard one to quantify and would need to be played around with. This was Zimbra's point against Exchange a decade ago, their web client was better (according to everyone I knew and even eWeek) than Outlook's fat client. Has Zimbra kept up? No. Is it bad, no. It is pretty good. But there is a lot of room for someone like Axigen to make a vastly superior web client experience here. This is where I would see a potential (but I have no idea yet) place for them to swoop in with value. Zimbra hasn't stopped here, but they've slowed to nearly the point of stagnation. They kind of gave up with 'good enough' and let it go for too long. Much like Exchange in other areas.
I'd be open to playing with Axigen here and seeing if this holds up.
Go to www.axigen.com and click the WebMail Demo
Oh sure, make me jump through all of these hoops....
It's easy. Trust me, I'm an engineer
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@scottalanmiller said:
Once on Linux or willing to be on Linux, Zimbra seems to be the main competitor. Zimbra is hard to compete with simply because free, open and been around a long time do a lot to get you a lot of ground quickly. But being free, Zimbra has issues getting access to some protocols and libraries that they want to use for push messaging. This is a much harder to compete in space, but appears to be far less of the target audience, but the website made it look like this was where they were aiming.
Is it still true that many of Zimbra's best features are paid for only?
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Here is the screen grab that I think led to nearly all of the discussion here...
That it is called "Linux mail" is pretty misleading as that isn't what it is, but a "deploy anyway" mail instead. On Linux is the spot where the discussion came up... if it is a Linux email solution, then if you can't admin Linux this wouldn't be an option nor would wanting closed source. That it runs on Windows dramatically changes the conversation.
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@axigen can you get me a direct download link for the RPM? I want to use wget
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@aaronstuder said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Once on Linux or willing to be on Linux, Zimbra seems to be the main competitor. Zimbra is hard to compete with simply because free, open and been around a long time do a lot to get you a lot of ground quickly. But being free, Zimbra has issues getting access to some protocols and libraries that they want to use for push messaging. This is a much harder to compete in space, but appears to be far less of the target audience, but the website made it look like this was where they were aiming.
Is it still true that many of Zimbra's best features are paid for only?
Depends what you call best. Features a lot of us don't care about are, only one that is of concern to me is the push protocols. And that's not that big of a deal to me. Nice, but not critical. Very little is not in the free version.
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@axigen While I'm actively moving around, best way to see where I am with with Twitter.
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@aaronstuder said:
@DustinB3403 Can you setup Exchange in just a couple hours? Can you run Exchange without Active Directory?
The proper question is why would you even consider Exchange if you do not have an AD environment?
The answer is you would not. You pick your application servers based on the environment, not the other way around.
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So I'm testing it now. First thing I notice is that Bogdan's face pops up immediately wanting to talk to me
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So testing out the interface now and my first question is...
@axigen why no subject lines?
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@aaronstuder said:
@axigen can you get me a direct download link for the RPM? I want to use wget
Here it is: https://www.axigen.com/usr/files/axigen-10.0.0/axigen-10.0.0.x86_64.rpm.run
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@scottalanmiller said:
So I'm testing it now. First thing I notice is that Bogdan's face pops up immediately wanting to talk to me
That's not present in the on-premise trial
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Oh wait, EVERYTHING is in the subject. There is no email body!
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Definitely having interface issues using the Axigen email web client. It looks nice, for sure. But things like composing a message it hangs up on searching the CC field and the Subject field and so I have to wait a long time to be able to type an email, like 30 seconds or so... long enough that I move on to do something else. There isn't anywhere to type the email body, I get a spot for the subject, but everything that I type goes into the subject and there is no spot in the interface for a body of the email.
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The "initializing" bit never seems to go away.
