Windows Phone :(
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Though it wouldn't be hard to only kill apps that are clearly trying to be fakes - it would be hard to not kill those who are trying to create a better mouse trap but not be fake about it.
Yes and, in theory, that is what Apple tries to do most of the time. Microsoft seemed dead set on promoting the malware exclusively. I found the Windows app store to be so bad that I would classify it itself as malware!
Sadly, right now, I have a hard time disagreeing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
So a highly curated store offers protection but at the same time stifles creativity because you must fit into the box Apple forces you into. It has good and bad points - I'm not sure which is ultimately better.
Correct. However it doesn't curtail creativity to the same degree that the Windows Phone platform does. So in comparison, it is a full on win. Compared to Android, though, it is a draw, I think. I would never be okay with that approach for my desktop, but for my phone I prefer the iOS App Store curated approach. But for my television attached device, I want the Android approach.
So what approach do you want to see on PC's since you don't want the Apple approach?
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Windows Phone is the app store your mama warned you about.
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@Dashrender said:
So what approach do you want to see on PC's since you don't want the Apple approach?
Chocolatey for WP8.1!
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@Dashrender said:
So what approach do you want to see on PC's since you don't want the Apple approach?
The one that exists on Linux. I want a curated app store that I can trust and is supported. Plus the ability to install anything I want, period. I don't want any lock in that I have to use the existing stores. But I like that the store exists.
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
The Linux stores tend to be dramatically more locked down than Apple's App Store. They don't just require that the product be released but oversee the license, support, integration, stability, etc. It's the best of all options in one place.
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores - and there's always side loading of apps.
I consider anything that even suggests rooting a device to be utter failure of the most extreme degree. I'm talking about official capabilities, I never mean working around the functionality of the system. Never.
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@Dashrender said:
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores
If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....
If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores
If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....
If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.
That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores
If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....
If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.
That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.
Ya it's just a checkbox to allow it.
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I've struggled to even have Android devices that can make calls, texts and get emails so....
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@johnhooks said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
This is the same on Android. At least as long as the device is allowed to install third party stores
If is the big thing there. None of my Android devices allow that. I know some do. I had one once that did allow that, but the device itself didn't work. So....
If you have pure Android, you have all of the control that you want. If you have any real world Android phones, you do not.
That's odd. Every Android device that I have owned allowed you to sideload apps and app stores without rooting the device. I've owned devices from Samsung, Motorola, and LG.
Ya it's just a checkbox to allow it.
Right, in the past the checkbox, once checked, was always on. But the modern Android OS allows you to do it per install, which is so much nicer.
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I say this mostly in jest, but not entirely - Scott seems to have trouble with most things that are not mainly Linux in nature
Granted Android is Linux, he's not rolling his own, so that doesn't count either
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@scottalanmiller said:
I've struggled to even have Android devices that can make calls, texts and get emails so....
That's strange. Never had an issue with that on mid-range to top-range devices. My recent Moto E, which is a budget/low-end phone, sometimes has issues calling.
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Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
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@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
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@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Ah, that makes sense. My first smart phone was a Droid X. It had issues with email syncing and random restarts until I put an ASOP rom on it. So I can see where you may get the impression.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.
I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.
You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I've struggled to even have Android devices that can make calls, texts and get emails so....
That's strange. Never had an issue with that on mid-range to top-range devices. My recent Moto E, which is a budget/low-end phone, sometimes has issues calling.
Everyone at the time said this too. I heard it so many times it's crazy. Yet I'd ask those people to produce a working device and never once could one of them get me a device that actually worked reliably. It turned out, every time, that they were not using some core functionality or were using it but didn't realize that emails weren't working or the like. What I found was that no Android users were actually relying on their devices and were treating them like entertainment, not business, devices and had a much different standard of "working" than iOS users had where reliable calls and emails were a standard requirement.
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@coliver said:
@Minion-Queen said:
Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.
Ah, that makes sense. My first smart phone was a Droid X. It had issues with email syncing and random restarts until I put an ASOP rom on it. So I can see where you may get the impression.
I had a Samsung Charge. First LTE Android device and first official Android device for Verizon. It ran on FroYo and it was pretty much junk. I had to have it plugged in all the time and it would restart frequently. The difference between 6.0 and 2.0 is ridiculous.
