ASUS gets their butt handed to them by the feds
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@DustinB3403 said:
So besides the fact that ASUS is paying through the nose for this, what do the end consumers get?
I have little pity for people buying consumer routers when things like Ubiquiti are the same price or cheaper. It's rough to expect consumers to have a clue or do things well, but we are talking about security and basic home infrastructure and if you don't take the minimum effort well... too bad. Like any field, the consumer stuff is always crappy and a rip off. If that's a something trivial, then whatever. If it is a security device, you are just asking for problems.
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@scottalanmiller but Scott, at the same time, you honestly can't expect the majority of people to know the different between their asshole and a hole in the ground.
So why would you expect them to know the difference here?
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I definitely think there is a trend here at ML for the consumer to "know better", but how are they supposed to know anything?
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@scottalanmiller said:
I have little pity for people buying consumer routers when things like Ubiquiti are the same price or cheaper.
is that true though? An EdgeRouterX costs $49 and an Unifi AC Lite costs $89, so $138 for a router/AP setup. Pretty sure you can pretty regularly pickup a consumer all in one for under $99.
Plus setting up a ERX and UAP is not what I call trivial. Additionally you can't control a UAP from a wireless device, you have to use a wired device, or a wirelsss device that accesses the network through another AP to manage one (not the end of the world, once it's setup you rarely need to touch it again, other than to update it).
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have little pity for people buying consumer routers when things like Ubiquiti are the same price or cheaper.
is that true though? An EdgeRouterX costs $49 and an Unifi AC Lite costs $89, so $138 for a router/AP setup. Pretty sure you can pretty regularly pickup a consumer all in one for under $99.
Plus setting up a ERX and UAP is not what I call trivial. Additionally you can't control a UAP from a wireless device, you have to use a wired device, or a wirelsss device that accesses the network through another AP to manage one (not the end of the world, once it's setup you rarely need to touch it again, other than to update it).
That partially is true. The new APs can be controlled with a phone. You can just scan the QR code on the back to add it.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have little pity for people buying consumer routers when things like Ubiquiti are the same price or cheaper.
is that true though? An EdgeRouterX costs $49 and an Unifi AC Lite costs $89, so $138 for a router/AP setup. Pretty sure you can pretty regularly pickup a consumer all in one for under $99.
Plus setting up a ERX and UAP is not what I call trivial. Additionally you can't control a UAP from a wireless device, you have to use a wired device, or a wirelsss device that accesses the network through another AP to manage one (not the end of the world, once it's setup you rarely need to touch it again, other than to update it).
That's a good point. But still the extra cost is minimal, $20 tops, right, and the functionality is vastly improved.
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@johnhooks said:
That partially is true. The new APs can be controlled with a phone. You can just scan the QR code on the back to add it.
Slick
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have little pity for people buying consumer routers when things like Ubiquiti are the same price or cheaper.
is that true though? An EdgeRouterX costs $49 and an Unifi AC Lite costs $89, so $138 for a router/AP setup. Pretty sure you can pretty regularly pickup a consumer all in one for under $99.
Plus setting up a ERX and UAP is not what I call trivial. Additionally you can't control a UAP from a wireless device, you have to use a wired device, or a wirelsss device that accesses the network through another AP to manage one (not the end of the world, once it's setup you rarely need to touch it again, other than to update it).
That's a good point. But still the extra cost is minimal, $20 tops, right, and the functionality is vastly improved.
Well, there's the extra cost of the installation - I don't think normal consumers can install an ERX and UAP. it's not trivial.
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@johnhooks said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have little pity for people buying consumer routers when things like Ubiquiti are the same price or cheaper.
is that true though? An EdgeRouterX costs $49 and an Unifi AC Lite costs $89, so $138 for a router/AP setup. Pretty sure you can pretty regularly pickup a consumer all in one for under $99.
Plus setting up a ERX and UAP is not what I call trivial. Additionally you can't control a UAP from a wireless device, you have to use a wired device, or a wirelsss device that accesses the network through another AP to manage one (not the end of the world, once it's setup you rarely need to touch it again, other than to update it).
That partially is true. The new APs can be controlled with a phone. You can just scan the QR code on the back to add it.
have you tried that yet? that will be slick. Does it require an existing LAN to make work? or does the phone talk directly to the UAP via wireless for setup?
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@Dashrender said:
Well, there's the extra cost of the installation - I don't think normal consumers can install an ERX and UAP. it's not trivial.
With the new updates, how much goes into setting up an ERX for the first time? Is there really that much to it?
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@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I have little pity for people buying consumer routers when things like Ubiquiti are the same price or cheaper.
is that true though? An EdgeRouterX costs $49 and an Unifi AC Lite costs $89, so $138 for a router/AP setup. Pretty sure you can pretty regularly pickup a consumer all in one for under $99.
Plus setting up a ERX and UAP is not what I call trivial. Additionally you can't control a UAP from a wireless device, you have to use a wired device, or a wirelsss device that accesses the network through another AP to manage one (not the end of the world, once it's setup you rarely need to touch it again, other than to update it).
That partially is true. The new APs can be controlled with a phone. You can just scan the QR code on the back to add it.
have you tried that yet? that will be slick. Does it require an existing LAN to make work? or does the phone talk directly to the UAP via wireless for setup?
I haven't. I was going to add my existing one to my phone, but they don't support the older models yet. I kind of want to buy an AP-AC-LITE to do it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Well, there's the extra cost of the installation - I don't think normal consumers can install an ERX and UAP. it's not trivial.
With the new updates, how much goes into setting up an ERX for the first time? Is there really that much to it?
I just downloaded the 1.7 update and uploaded it to the router. It was pretty easy. Then just ran through the wizard.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Well, there's the extra cost of the installation - I don't think normal consumers can install an ERX and UAP. it's not trivial.
With the new updates, how much goes into setting up an ERX for the first time? Is there really that much to it?
I haven't setup a new one - maybe they have improved the interface.
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I know that they made them way easier than the last one that I had.
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Here's what it looks like now. Ignore the eth dialog box, it was stuck there for some reason. The second image is the wizard you run through. It's really easy to set up.
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@johnhooks said:
Here's what it looks like now. Ignore the eth dialog box, it was stuck there for some reason. The second image is the wizard you run through. It's really easy to set up.
did the wizard come up by default?
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@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
Here's what it looks like now. Ignore the eth dialog box, it was stuck there for some reason. The second image is the wizard you run through. It's really easy to set up.
did the wizard come up by default?
No you just click the wizard tab and and the type of setup you want.
Yes, that's not the same as plug the router in and it does it automatically. But, there are plenty of walk throughs available and at what point do we stop hand holding these people?
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@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
Here's what it looks like now. Ignore the eth dialog box, it was stuck there for some reason. The second image is the wizard you run through. It's really easy to set up.
did the wizard come up by default?
No it does not. And no, they are not that simple to setup. First of all, they do not ship wth current firmware. They ship with 1.2 or 1.5 i believe. So you need to set it up enough to download the current firmware and then run the wizard.
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@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
Here's what it looks like now. Ignore the eth dialog box, it was stuck there for some reason. The second image is the wizard you run through. It's really easy to set up.
did the wizard come up by default?
No it does not. And no, they are not that simple to setup. First of all, they do not ship wth current firmware. They ship with 1.2 or 1.5 i believe. So you need to set it up enough to download the current firmware and then run the wizard.
Seriously? That sucks. Even the X model?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@Dashrender said:
@johnhooks said:
Here's what it looks like now. Ignore the eth dialog box, it was stuck there for some reason. The second image is the wizard you run through. It's really easy to set up.
did the wizard come up by default?
No it does not. And no, they are not that simple to setup. First of all, they do not ship wth current firmware. They ship with 1.2 or 1.5 i believe. So you need to set it up enough to download the current firmware and then run the wizard.
Seriously? That sucks. Even the X model?
Ya you have to upload the 1.7 image. It's not like some routers though, you really just upload the file.
