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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
The problem with #3 in my mind is - we have no clue what the long term effects are - we don't know if you get immunity for some period of time, etc.
That's a problem with all three. We just don't know what any of it will do long term yet.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
The solution is not one of the extremes... It's not a 100% lock down, and it's not 100% ignoring COVID-19. Perhaps it's the responsibility of every individual to do their part; keep social distancing, keep sanitary, etc... To stop participating in large gatherings... Why's the US becoming the worst in the world? I'm guessing it's the fact the whole thing has been nothing but used politically... Like everything else.
Sure - I guess. Though I don't think that's the only thing. We've had a massive amount of massive gatherings in the US lately because of the inequality outrage, let alone the fact of being under lock down for 3 months - people just want to gather.
How is that second part not happening around the world? I haven't actually heard - Is Europe is under a general lockdown?
I know a lot of the US started easing lockdown in early/mid May, if the EU started in late May/early June, they might see similar rises in another 2 weeks or so.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
If you didn't test for a pregnancy, there'd be far fewer of them!
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
#2 two still kills many things/businesses though - concerts, amusement parks, cruises, heck - mass travel (air plane, buses, trains) all all pretty much dead on #2.
Yes, but it also keeps many afloat. And killing huge swathes of the public and making people afraid to go to all those things might kill them off, too. You can make a good argument that #2 might protect many of those businesses better than #3 will long term.
There is also a strong argument that if a business can't survive through adaptation that it has no right to exist. Free market, capitalism.
And not all businesses are good. Lots of us are hoping that the cruise industry fails here. It doesn't pay taxes, it operates outside the law, it often borders on slavery, and it would be nice if it just didn't exist. Just because something is a business does mean we want it to survive, or that it has a right to. Every business needs to have prepared for and be ready to adapt to changing conditions. If we make decisions just to protect certain businesses, rather than acting in the good of the public, we've become communists and we are using "planned economy" instead of the free market.
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
If you didn't test for a pregnancy, there'd be far fewer of them!
definitely not the same comparable thing. If you're pregnant - at the end there's a baby... if you have Covid and you're asymptotic after you're no longer infectious, you have no clue.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
I know a lot of the US started easing lockdown in early/mid May, if the EU started in late May/early June, they might see similar rises in another 2 weeks or so.
No, the EU already had their first wave. The US is still in its first wave. Nothing the EU has done can track the US at this point as they are already completely diverged. The EU is cycles ahead of the US and we are way past the point of thinking that the two approaches might end up close to each other, it's too late for that.
The EU can easily have a second wave. But so can the US. But since the US isn't even close to seeing the back half of the first wave, and the EU is way past its first wave, everything is very different between them.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Is Europe is under a general lockdown?
Yes, have been for a long time. It's eased some, but only just starting to ease and they have been stopping the easing as it shows rises again.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
If you didn't test for a pregnancy, there'd be far fewer of them!
definitely not the same comparable thing. If you're pregnant - at the end there's a baby... if you have Covid and you're asymptotic after you're no longer infectious, you have no clue.
Not always. Pregnancy is more likely to end in a bay than COVID in death, but lots of pregnancies don't produce babies, and lots of COVID patients live. It's statistically divergent, but conceptually similar.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
There is also a strong argument that if a business can't survive through adaptation that it has no right to exist. Free market, capitalism.
of course - I have to give you this one. Not that I'm giving it to you, I completely agree with it.
Large gathering - I can't imagine a world where they simply don't exist.
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Coronavirus: 'Very significant' resurgences in Europe alarm WHO
Europe has seen an increase in weekly cases of Covid-19 for the first time in months as restrictions are eased, the World Health Organization (WHO) says.
In 11 countries, which include Armenia, Sweden, Moldova and North Macedonia, accelerated transmission has led to "very significant resurgence", said Regional Director Dr Hans Henri Kluge. His warnings about the risk of resurgence had become reality, he said. If left unchecked, he warned health systems would be "pushed to the brink". More than 2.6 million cases of Covid-19 and 195,000 deaths have been reported in the WHO's European region, which is expansive, covering 54 countries and seven territories across Europe, the Middle East and Central Asia. Almost 20,000 new cases and more than 700 new deaths are being recorded daily. "For weeks, I have spoken about the risk of resurgence as countries adjust measures," Dr Kluge told a virtual news conference on Thursday. -
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
FFS, It is not just "more testing." Do you have a MAGA hat?
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Large gathering - I can't imagine a world where they simply don't exist.
We might have to. Or it might be nothing. We've been through this many times with humanity. But now, for the first time more or less, we understand how to put a death toll on those decisions. So unlike previous times, we understand that we are literally deciding to kill people by having these things. So unlike before where we didn't know any different, now we have to decide, as a species, how many deaths are we willing to have to enjoy large gatherings, and of which types.
This isn't a complain about them in the past, people didn't know. No one knew. We still know very little. But we now know that these things create the opportunities for pandemics. A lot of things need to change if life matters.
It's like Europeans coming to the Americas. They had absolutely no idea that their diseases would spread like crazy and kill most people. But today, we'd not do the same thing again because we know what would happen. And likewise, they didn't know that they wouldn't get all kinds of diseases. They just rolled the dice and overall, had no idea what anything did.
But with knowledge comes responsibility.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's like Europeans coming to the Americas. They had absolutely no idea that their diseases would spread like crazy and kill most people. But today, we'd not do the same thing again because we know what would happen.
Europeans would absolutely do the same thing if they knew, because there was too much money involved.
It is not much different today. The economic gains that would be implicit in something like a new continent being located would set off a gold rush level of migration and no one would give a fuck about killing the natives with disease.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's like Europeans coming to the Americas. They had absolutely no idea that their diseases would spread like crazy and kill most people. But today, we'd not do the same thing again because we know what would happen.
Europeans would absolutely do the same thing if they knew, because there was too much money involved.
It is not much different today. The economic gains that would be implicit in something like a new continent being located would set off a gold rush level of migration and no one would give a fuck about killing the natives with disease.
Well and the real thing is that it only takes ONE person not giving a fuck and then everyone is screwed. They "know" with some certainty exactly which person it was who infected South America and it wasn't a European. It was a slave who got infected, didn't know (nor understand so makes no difference) and fled to the continent with small pox. All the Europeans who came months or weeks later with it landed in a place already devastated.
Had it not been him, would have been some other random person. Point being, society can't eliminate that type of infection path because it requires, for all intents and purposes, a 100% agreement to keep separate.
But big gatherings are different. Every bit that they are reduced, at least helps.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
It's like Europeans coming to the Americas. They had absolutely no idea that their diseases would spread like crazy and kill most people. But today, we'd not do the same thing again because we know what would happen.
Europeans would absolutely do the same thing if they knew, because there was too much money involved.
It is not much different today. The economic gains that would be implicit in something like a new continent being located would set off a gold rush level of migration and no one would give a fuck about killing the natives with disease.
Well and the real thing is that it only takes ONE person not giving a fuck and then everyone is screwed. They "know" with some certainty exactly which person it was who infected South America and it wasn't a European. It was a slave who got infected, didn't know (nor understand so makes no difference) and fled to the continent with small pox. All the Europeans who came months or weeks later with it landed in a place already devastated.
Had it not been him, would have been some other random person. Point being, society can't eliminate that type of infection path because it requires, for all intents and purposes, a 100% agreement to keep separate.
But big gatherings are different. Every bit that they are reduced, at least helps.
Japan's biggest covid spike was nearly 700 in one day. They issued an order to wear face masks, something they often due as a courtesy to avoid getting others sick if they, themselves, are ill. In the US, you tell people to wear a mask and you get the idiocracy telling you that they're breathing CO2 and 'muh freedumbs!!'
Poor leadership is killing people.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200624082657.htm
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Entire Texas Medical Center system, not just the flagship facility, is now beyond capacity.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Large gathering - I can't imagine a world where they simply don't exist.
We might have to. Or it might be nothing. We've been through this many times with humanity. But now, for the first time more or less, we understand how to put a death toll on those decisions. So unlike previous times, we understand that we are literally deciding to kill people by having these things. So unlike before where we didn't know any different, now we have to decide, as a species, how many deaths are we willing to have to enjoy large gatherings, and of which types.
Well Hollywood and their followers keep telling us we have world population, food shortage, and climate change problems. Large gatherings with a side of survival of the fittest is a simple solution, no? Maybe not the right solution but it is one.
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@pmoncho said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Large gathering - I can't imagine a world where they simply don't exist.
We might have to. Or it might be nothing. We've been through this many times with humanity. But now, for the first time more or less, we understand how to put a death toll on those decisions. So unlike previous times, we understand that we are literally deciding to kill people by having these things. So unlike before where we didn't know any different, now we have to decide, as a species, how many deaths are we willing to have to enjoy large gatherings, and of which types.
Well Hollywood and their followers keep telling us we have world population, food shortage, and climate change problems. Large gatherings with a side of survival of the fittest is a simple solution, no? Maybe not the right solution but it is one.
If the system was a little more self selecting and a little less "selected by others", I'd be happier with it. Sadly it's rarely the people going to the events that die off, but rather the more fragile that they then come in contact with.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Entire Texas Medical Center system, not just the flagship facility, is now beyond capacity.
No car accidents allowed. No births. No construction as there will be a slip/fall.
If you don't think that wearing a mask would've helped, or that science is "questionable," then I kindly invite you to STFU. The celebration of idiocy, the politicization of a virus, and the sheer refutation of facts by anyone who believes that 120,000+ dead people aren't real is more than rude, more than infuriating and just plain dangerous. It borders on holocaust denier, and I fucking hate those people.
There are families who are now just one or two people left. Imagine that your family reunion went from 150 people to 15, and you couldn't attend any of the funerals. You have to mourn alone. Covid doesn't fucking care if you wear a red hat, a blue hat, pray to an invisible being in the sky, or worship a spaghetti monster. It's a fucking virus. It will not only do what it does, which is pretty fucking bad, but it'll find other shit to trigger and help it kill you. Got diabetes? Got leukemia? Asthma? Heart condition? Smoker? Anything that you didn't know about, it will find. It will do it's best to kill you. And the politicians want to downplay it. Don't listen to them. Don't listen to me! Listen to the scientists, the mathematicians and the doctors that are dealing with this. They will tell you why this needs to be taken far more seriously than the US leaders are.
@Dashrender I hope no one in your family or circle gets sick or dies. Many people out there will not understand the severity of this issue until anyone near them is dead, and when you figure out that this is preventable, that leadership failed for months, that Dear Leader continues to shift blame and not assert any kind of direction, but your friend is still dead, imagine what you'll think then? Will you attend the funeral through Zoom or FaceTime?
We give people shit all the time for not knowing how to right click, read what the error message was before clicking ok, or shutting a PC off when it's doing updates and says not to do that. Right now, our doctors, the CDC, the WHO and everyone out there in a scientific job -- the SysAdmins for biology --, are telling us to stay home, to wear masks, to wash your hands, to not gather indoors, and people are doing it. They're probably the same people that can't right click. Listen to the SysAdmins.
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There is talk of shipping sick people across the state to Dallas because we are the last large city with any capacity. So of course, our infection rate will skyrocket once infected people are being shipped here.
Not that I want to turn them away, just... this really sucks.
