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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
As an employer, we deal with that a lot. Had a meeting about all the people living on neverending overtime here just today.
that really seems like two problems - one, an employee has the need for more income. and two, the company has more work to be accomplished than a single person can do.
As an employee - I would assume (though not always true) that the employee would like to stick to the more normal work hours giving them more personal/home/family time...
In my situation, IT is only about 65% of the job. The other 35% is dealing with our LOB app, client app support, along with a bunch of other stupid little stuff.
I always looked at this way, I am considered a Manager/Supervisor also. Coming from the restaurant industry, the Managers/Supervisors had 45-55 hour weeks no matter what so it has never bothered me. To top it off, my boss and I had a darn good working relationship until she passed.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
As an employer, we deal with that a lot. Had a meeting about all the people living on neverending overtime here just today.
that really seems like two problems - one, an employee has the need for more income. and two, the company has more work to be accomplished than a single person can do.
As an employee - I would assume (though not always true) that the employee would like to stick to the more normal work hours giving them more personal/home/family time...
In my situation, IT is only about 65% of the job. The other 35% is dealing with our LOB app, client app support, along with a bunch of other stupid little stuff.
I always looked at this way, I am considered a Manager/Supervisor also. Coming from the restaurant industry, the Managers/Supervisors had 45-55 hour weeks no matter what so it has never bothered me. To top it off, my boss and I had a darn good working relationship until she passed.
OH - I know all about this. I'm similar - maybe 40% IT - 50% - bench - 10% LOB. Luckily I don't manage people - I know it's not a strength of mine.
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I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
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I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Let's see if @scottalanmiller will split the topic into it's own.
As for the situation - yeah definitely sounds like Benchwork as Scott likes to call it. Scott's mentioned that he's seem some bench techs pull in 120K+, assuming that's still the case - at least there would be a potential to grow in this direction.
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
I want to do IT, which was the reason I applied for the position based on the responsibilities listed.
Examples of some of the responsibilities listed for the role.
1)"Assist with the baseline design and implementation of Microsoft Active Directory architecture, Domain Name Systems (DNS), and Group Policy Objects (GPO). ". 2)"Identify, analyze, and report resource constraints within the cloud environment, using information collected from a variety of sources, to maintain cloud service operations"
A little more details, this company originally had all their IT outsourced. They hired an IT director (my direct report) about 14 months ago, and a senior network engineer 11 months ago. Seems they are looking at bringing all those services in-house, if the costs make sense. I look at it like possibly being an opportunity where I can implement something in their environment. And if worse case, and I'm just consumed with Benchwork, I'll just leave and find another job. 20K is a big jump, especially with the raise of inflation, and providing for a family.
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I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Go for it. Sound like there is growth opportunity in the job and in the company.
I don't think it's actual bench work as in crawling behind racks for days at end and pulling fiber. You'll have other guys doing that - if the volume is large. If it's just a few things, well, who cares?
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Here's some other things I see as possible red flags.
- The position has been open for more than 30 days according to Indeed. Maybe because of the travel requirement? IDK.
- There wasn't much of an interview when I interviewed with the Director and Senior engineer. I actually did not expect an offer when HR gave me a call the following day. Interview was them telling me about the position and company, and me telling them about my experience.
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Here's some other things I see as possible red flags.
- The position has been open for more than 30 days according to Indeed. Maybe because of the travel requirement? IDK.
- There wasn't much of an interview when I interviewed with the Director and Senior engineer. I actually did not expect an offer when HR gave me a call the following day. Interview was them telling me about the position and company, and me telling them about my experience.
I would take this offer in your position.
If it does turn out to be a lot of bench work, you will also have a lot of travel time to read/study on more azure/aws and improve your next jump to a new place.
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The tech recruiting company will pay 25/hour , no paid days off,
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+~$6.00 an hour.I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
32% not including the overtime.
On average I get anywhere from 5-10 a pay period for on call
So $25/hr @ New Job - 6$/hr (more than current job) = $19/hr @ Current Job
OT = $28.50/hr ($19*1.5) @ Current Job
5-10 hrs/week in OT; let's use 7.5hrs/wk @ Current Job
7.5hrs/wk = $213.75/wk in OT @ Current Job
$213.75/wk ÷ 40hrs/wk = $5.34/hr in OT at Current JobThe new job ($25/hr) without any possibility of OT is almost exactly the same wage as the current job with OT ($24.34/hr).
This is a 2.5% increase in pay.Not worth the risk.
I like his idea of staying put and continuing the job search.
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@jaredbusch said in Job offer:
I would take this offer in your position.
If it does turn out to be a lot of bench work, you will also have a lot of travel time to read/study on more azure/aws and improve your next jump to a new place.I agree. My wife was actually telling me the same thing before you posted this. lol.
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Well, I guess this was a fake job. I was notified this morning that the IT director has decided to retract the offer, and has decided to reevaluate the needs in his group and has postponed hiring for this position. It was weird how HR kept staling on giving me additional information, and the fact she told me they don't do an actually letter, and I would be signing on my first day of employment. Lesson learned on my end.
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I always sign offer and wait for background check, drug screen, etc BEFORE I put my notice in
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I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
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I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
Yeah, as I am sure others have said - never resign until the new job is in the bag. Offer made, signed, confirmed receipt and start date, references checked.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Let's see if @scottalanmiller will split the topic into it's own.
As for the situation - yeah definitely sounds like Benchwork as Scott likes to call it. Scott's mentioned that he's seem some bench techs pull in 120K+, assuming that's still the case - at least there would be a potential to grow in this direction.
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
Yes, but only in huge enterprise financial datacenters so you'd always have a physical location need like NYC or San Fran.
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@jimmy9008 said in Job offer:
I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
Yeah, as I am sure others have said - never resign until the new job is in the bag. Offer made, signed, confirmed receipt and start date, references checked.
I once had a job rescind their offer AFTER I had started working. The person I was supposed to replace had just "shown back up" after having quit and they decided they wanted to keep him so they just acted like they never made me an offer. I had relocated for the job. The VP just claimed that the hiring manager didn't have the authority to hire and that they were sorry for the fake offer but good luck getting paid for even the day that I worked, let alone anything else.
