How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?
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@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
Weird follow up questions,
What's the reason to put the AP as a Static? is it cause I dont have a DHCP server ?How else will the UAPs get an IP address if you don't assign one staticly, or have a DHCP server?
Connecting will be the same right? find the SSID and Connect via a password?
from a simple connectivity stand point - that is correct. Assuming the UAPs are already configured, once you join their WiFi network, they should just pass the traffic back to the wired network, no different than a dumb switch (at least I assume they will do that - it is possible that they might not simply act as a dumb switch). BUT you wouldn't be able to manage the UAPs, the UAPs would have no way themselves of talking to the controller - unless they use a broadcast protocol, but I'm pretty sure they don't.
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@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
Weird follow up questions,
What's the reason to put the AP as a Static? is it cause I dont have a DHCP server ?How else will the UAPs get an IP address if you don't assign one staticly, or have a DHCP server?
Connecting will be the same right? find the SSID and Connect via a password?
Yes or now would have worked just fine,
from a simple connectivity stand point - that is correct. Assuming the UAPs are already configured, once you join their WiFi network, they should just pass the traffic back to the wired network, no different than a dumb switch (at least I assume they will do that - it is possible that they might not simply act as a dumb switch). BUT you wouldn't be able to manage the UAPs, the UAPs would have no way themselves of talking to the controller - unless they use a broadcast protocol, but I'm pretty sure they don't.
Then there's a chance that this AP wont work. I believe the Tablets require Broadcast Protocol to run Aloha, at least that's one of the issues we had with the last site when they setup their own AP's for the Network.
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@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
Weird follow up questions,
What's the reason to put the AP as a Static? is it cause I dont have a DHCP server ?How else will the UAPs get an IP address if you don't assign one staticly, or have a DHCP server?
Connecting will be the same right? find the SSID and Connect via a password?
Yes or now would have worked just fine,
from a simple connectivity stand point - that is correct. Assuming the UAPs are already configured, once you join their WiFi network, they should just pass the traffic back to the wired network, no different than a dumb switch (at least I assume they will do that - it is possible that they might not simply act as a dumb switch). BUT you wouldn't be able to manage the UAPs, the UAPs would have no way themselves of talking to the controller - unless they use a broadcast protocol, but I'm pretty sure they don't.
Then there's a chance that this AP wont work. I believe the Tablets require Broadcast Protocol to run Aloha, at least that's one of the issues we had with the last site when they setup their own AP's for the Network.
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@JaredBusch said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
Weird follow up questions,
What's the reason to put the AP as a Static? is it cause I dont have a DHCP server ?How else will the UAPs get an IP address if you don't assign one staticly, or have a DHCP server?
Connecting will be the same right? find the SSID and Connect via a password?
Yes or now would have worked just fine,
from a simple connectivity stand point - that is correct. Assuming the UAPs are already configured, once you join their WiFi network, they should just pass the traffic back to the wired network, no different than a dumb switch (at least I assume they will do that - it is possible that they might not simply act as a dumb switch). BUT you wouldn't be able to manage the UAPs, the UAPs would have no way themselves of talking to the controller - unless they use a broadcast protocol, but I'm pretty sure they don't.
Then there's a chance that this AP wont work. I believe the Tablets require Broadcast Protocol to run Aloha, at least that's one of the issues we had with the last site when they setup their own AP's for the Network.
Explain it then?
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@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
Weird follow up questions,
What's the reason to put the AP as a Static? is it cause I dont have a DHCP server ?How else will the UAPs get an IP address if you don't assign one staticly, or have a DHCP server?
Connecting will be the same right? find the SSID and Connect via a password?
Yes or now would have worked just fine,
from a simple connectivity stand point - that is correct. Assuming the UAPs are already configured, once you join their WiFi network, they should just pass the traffic back to the wired network, no different than a dumb switch (at least I assume they will do that - it is possible that they might not simply act as a dumb switch). BUT you wouldn't be able to manage the UAPs, the UAPs would have no way themselves of talking to the controller - unless they use a broadcast protocol, but I'm pretty sure they don't.
Then there's a chance that this AP wont work. I believe the Tablets require Broadcast Protocol to run Aloha, at least that's one of the issues we had with the last site when they setup their own AP's for the Network.
Those things aren't related. I'm specifically talking about the UAPs having their own broadcast protocol that they could use - something other than TCP/IP to talk to the controller - again, this seems unlikely.
As for Aloha, I'm guessing it uses TCP broadcasts, and those should work fine, if they work on other APs they will work here.
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@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
Weird follow up questions,
What's the reason to put the AP as a Static? is it cause I dont have a DHCP server ?How else will the UAPs get an IP address if you don't assign one staticly, or have a DHCP server?
Connecting will be the same right? find the SSID and Connect via a password?
Yes or now would have worked just fine,
from a simple connectivity stand point - that is correct. Assuming the UAPs are already configured, once you join their WiFi network, they should just pass the traffic back to the wired network, no different than a dumb switch (at least I assume they will do that - it is possible that they might not simply act as a dumb switch). BUT you wouldn't be able to manage the UAPs, the UAPs would have no way themselves of talking to the controller - unless they use a broadcast protocol, but I'm pretty sure they don't.
Then there's a chance that this AP wont work. I believe the Tablets require Broadcast Protocol to run Aloha, at least that's one of the issues we had with the last site when they setup their own AP's for the Network.
Those things aren't related. I'm specifically talking about the UAPs having their own broadcast protocol that they could use - something other than TCP/IP to talk to the controller - again, this seems unlikely.
As for Aloha, I'm guessing it uses TCP broadcasts, and those should work fine, if they work on other APs they will work here.
thanks, that makes much more sense.
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You would really benefit from getting a Network+ book. These are the basics of networking and protocols.
I highly recommend it for you.
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@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
You would really benefit from getting a Network+ book. These are the basics of networking and protocols.
I highly recommend it for you.
Have one at home, actually. I'm more of a hands on learner than I am a read and a retain information learner.
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@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
You would really benefit from getting a Network+ book. These are the basics of networking and protocols.
I highly recommend it for you.
Have one at home, actually. I'm more of a hands on learner than I am a read and a retain information learner.
sadly - you really can't learn this in a reasonable time hands one. You need to either take a class so they really force/focus you on it - or read the book. Once you have a better understanding, much of this will be significantly easier.
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@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
You would really benefit from getting a Network+ book. These are the basics of networking and protocols.
I highly recommend it for you.
Have one at home, actually. I'm more of a hands on learner than I am a read and a retain information learner.
sadly - you really can't learn this in a reasonable time hands one. You need to either take a class so they really force/focus you on it - or read the book. Once you have a better understanding, much of this will be significantly easier.
Gotcha.
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@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
So - I see I'm missing something here in the IP Gateway/Subnet..
just not sure what it should be.Subnet is always determined by the network. Without the subnet, you don't have a network. Conceptually a network isn't a thing without that. So you have to know what it is, you just don't realize that you know.
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@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
I see I'm missing something here in the IP Gateway
Non-routed = no gateway
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@scottalanmiller said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
So - I see I'm missing something here in the IP Gateway/Subnet..
just not sure what it should be.Subnet is always determined by the network. Without the subnet, you don't have a network. Conceptually a network isn't a thing without that. So you have to know what it is, you just don't realize that you know.
@scottalanmiller said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
So - I see I'm missing something here in the IP Gateway/Subnet..
just not sure what it should be.Subnet is always determined by the network. Without the subnet, you don't have a network. Conceptually a network isn't a thing without that. So you have to know what it is, you just don't realize that you know.
I realized it because it wouldn't save.
So i reset it to default and say i was missing /24 - which Im not exactly sure what that is for. But as Dash Said Above- I need to read the book I have and there's not much I can learn by doing (how I learn) when it comes to this. -
@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
@Dashrender said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
You would really benefit from getting a Network+ book. These are the basics of networking and protocols.
I highly recommend it for you.
Have one at home, actually. I'm more of a hands on learner than I am a read and a retain information learner.
sadly - you really can't learn this in a reasonable time hands one. You need to either take a class so they really force/focus you on it - or read the book. Once you have a better understanding, much of this will be significantly easier.
Right. This is basically just math. Math requires sitting down and learning. Then it's useful. But until you know it, you learn nothing from just trying to use it.
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@WrCombs said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
So i reset it to default and say i was missing /24 - which Im not exactly sure what that is for. But as Dash Said Above- I need to read the book I have and there's not much I can learn by doing (how I learn) when it comes to this.
/24 is the subnet mask.
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So a NETWORK is a grouping of resources. It's a list of addresses that work together. To know what network you are on, you have to know what those addresses are. So a network is defined as a range of addresses. A network address, like...
192.168.0.0/24
Tell you the first number of the network (192.168.0.0) and the size of the network (/24) which, when taken together, tells you every possible address on the network, because they have to be consecutive.
That's what the subnet number is for.
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So think about defining your neighbourhood in the simple terms of "how far down your street does it go?"
Networks are a one dimensional world, so this is a very simplistic example to mimic them.
So to define your neighbourhood you give me a street address like (1275 Crescent St.)
But that's not a neighbourhood, that's one house. That's just the first house of the neighbourhood, not he neighbourhood. But since we know the neighbourhood is all in a strait row one after another, you just need one additional piece of information which is "how many addresses" to add to the "starting address."
So if we defined the neighbourhood as the next 100 houses, and we know the lowest numerical address in the pool, then it is trivial to know that the neighbourhood is every house from 1275 Crescent St. to 1375 Crescent St.!
Very easy. Know where you start, and how far you go.
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@scottalanmiller said in How to set up Unifi Controller For Unrouted Private Network?:
So think about defining your neighbourhood in the simple terms of "how far down your street does it go?"
Networks are a one dimensional world, so this is a very simplistic example to mimic them.
So to define your neighbourhood you give me a street address like (1275 Crescent St.)
But that's not a neighbourhood, that's one house. That's just the first house of the neighbourhood, not he neighbourhood. But since we know the neighbourhood is all in a strait row one after another, you just need one additional piece of information which is "how many addresses" to add to the "starting address."
So if we defined the neighbourhood as the next 100 houses, and we know the lowest numerical address in the pool, then it is trivial to know that the neighbourhood is every house from 1275 Crescent St. to 1375 Crescent St.!
Very easy. Know where you start, and how far you go.
that makes a lot more sense.
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Basic networking, and the ISO model, are the two things that I feel just require memorization first. Then you learn to use them. And both are "needed for every conceivable task" you will do in IT.
