Linux OS Thoughts?
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@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Let's have a discussion on what would be the best Linus Flavor for Coming from windows moving to Linux and wanting to learn more and use Linux everyday?
So many great Linux OS desktop choices. But, at this point, I feel that your two best options are...
Fedora 30 with Cinnamon. Gives you a look and feel of Windows 7 but modern. Works great.
Ubuntu 19.10 with the stock Gnome 3 desktop. More modern and doesn't pretend to be Windows. Overall, I'm feeling like this is the big winner right now. It's fast, easy to use, and has the broadest support at this point. I'm a massive Fedora and Suse fan, but Ubuntu seems to be where it is at right now.
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@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Coming from windows moving to Linux and wanting to learn more and use Linux everyday?
Completely depends on what you want to learn, do you need a Desktop environment on this system, and are you wanting to "Learn Linux" or just not be constrained by choices others have made when they made a bad purchasing decision?
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Linux desktop and Linux server are very different from a learning perspective.
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@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
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@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
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@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
looking at Linux Administration.
A bit broad, but at least it's a start. Are you wanting to stand up Linux servers to be used as web hosts, cloud host, Hypervisors, something else?
If so, most of this is a single command for a lot of it today.
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@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.
Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.
In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.
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@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.
Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.
In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.
Meant to write CentOS 8.
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@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.
what is RHEL8??
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@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.
what is RHEL8??
He means CentOS 8 https://www.centos.org
RHEL is the "Business version" of CentOS
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@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.
Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.
In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.
RHEL is still free (as far as I know) it's just a HUGE PITA to get your hands on if you don't buy support for it.
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@Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.
Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.
In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.
RHEL is still free (as far as I know) it's just a HUGE PITA to get your hands on if you don't buy support for it.
Interesting, but is there really a value to using RHEL without support?
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@Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@DustinB3403 said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Learn linux - But with out the " "
Okay so let's break this down one more step. What about Linux do you want to learn?
If you looked at Linux like the day you go your learners permit, it's just learning what the tools are and how to use them. Is there something specific you are wanting to do with Linux?
looking at Linux Administration.
Oh, in the case, installing RHEL 8 is probably the best place to start.
Spend money on RHEL, really? When we were just telling him to not spend money on Windows 10 Pro for his work provided computer.
In a lab/home environment, sure that makes sense, but this is discussing his career. Which I would lean towards Fedora as a jump point.
RHEL is still free (as far as I know) it's just a HUGE PITA to get your hands on if you don't buy support for it.
You can get it for free through a dev account, but it's offered through CentOS as the free version unless you build it from source yourself.
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Yeah just found the link
https://developers.redhat.com/products/rhel/download
They do want a lot of details, but meh.
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Linux Distros ( Desktop/Laptop Use )
Each distro that I'm listing provides a Live images.-
Fedora
Fedora Workstation default desktop environment is GNOME and uses Wayland has the default display server with an option to use Xorg. If you want to install a different desktop environment and get the latest updates during installation, you will need to use the Netinstall image. -
Ubuntu
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Debian (Non-Free firmware)
Live
https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
Netinstall
https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.1.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/ -
Linux Mint ( Based on Ubuntu LTS )
Cinnamon is their pride and joy desktop environment
KDE
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Elementary OS ( Based on Ubuntu LTS )
Elementary OS design layout looks similar to MacOS.
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@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@IRJ said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Stick to LTS versions (...hides)
what is LTS Versions vs. Bleeding Edge
That's not a comparison. They are saying Bleeding Edge in an attempt to discredit "Current Releases." Bleeding edge is something wholly different.
LTS: Long Term Support. These are OS releases that are selected (every major vendor does this... Windows, RHEL, Ubuntu, Suse, etc.) to get "support" for a really long time with a guarantee that the code versions won't change. It's a locked release that you can install and use and get "support" for a long time. I say "support" because it's not always what it sounds like. Ubuntu doesn't offer anything we'd call actual support for their LTS, it's all a marketing thing not a tech thing.
Current Release: This is the current product release from a vendor. Windows, RH, Ubuntu, Suse all offer these. Windows, RH, and Ubuntu all have a ~6 month release cycle for current. Suse alone uses a rolling release model. None of these imply anything like cutting or bleeding edge, those terms would denote a misunderstanding of what releases are. A current release can easily include software that is decades old, nothing about it implies a faster release of packages. And if it did, Ubuntu LTS is also "Current" every 18 months, so if bleeding edge is bad, then their LTS is also bad because they would overlap.
Current selections of both....
Windows:
LTS: Windows LTSB 1809
Current: 1903Red Hat:
LTS: CentOS 8 / RHEL 8
Current: Fedora 30Ubuntu:
LTS: 1804
Current: 1910Suse:
LTS: OpenSuse Leap
Current: OpenSuse TumbleweedActually 1909 has been released officially.
That's what I got on my new laptop.. weird.
why is that weird?
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@Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@IRJ said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Stick to LTS versions (...hides)
what is LTS Versions vs. Bleeding Edge
That's not a comparison. They are saying Bleeding Edge in an attempt to discredit "Current Releases." Bleeding edge is something wholly different.
LTS: Long Term Support. These are OS releases that are selected (every major vendor does this... Windows, RHEL, Ubuntu, Suse, etc.) to get "support" for a really long time with a guarantee that the code versions won't change. It's a locked release that you can install and use and get "support" for a long time. I say "support" because it's not always what it sounds like. Ubuntu doesn't offer anything we'd call actual support for their LTS, it's all a marketing thing not a tech thing.
Current Release: This is the current product release from a vendor. Windows, RH, Ubuntu, Suse all offer these. Windows, RH, and Ubuntu all have a ~6 month release cycle for current. Suse alone uses a rolling release model. None of these imply anything like cutting or bleeding edge, those terms would denote a misunderstanding of what releases are. A current release can easily include software that is decades old, nothing about it implies a faster release of packages. And if it did, Ubuntu LTS is also "Current" every 18 months, so if bleeding edge is bad, then their LTS is also bad because they would overlap.
Current selections of both....
Windows:
LTS: Windows LTSB 1809
Current: 1903Red Hat:
LTS: CentOS 8 / RHEL 8
Current: Fedora 30Ubuntu:
LTS: 1804
Current: 1910Suse:
LTS: OpenSuse Leap
Current: OpenSuse TumbleweedActually 1909 has been released officially.
That's what I got on my new laptop.. weird.
why is that weird?
cause i was just about to say that also.
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Back to the OP.
@WrCombs wants to things most likely...
a desktop environment to run in - So Fedora or Ubuntu most likely... and then a separate "server" box to install Linux Server OSes on to experiment with to do things like - setup FreePBX, setup NC, setup file server, etc.
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@Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Back to the OP.
@WrCombs wants to things most likely...
a desktop environment to run in - So Fedora or Ubuntu most likely... and then a separate "server" box to install Linux Server OSes on to experiment with to do things like - setup FreePBX, setup NC, setup file server, etc.
yes.
I could even VM those, right? or no? - Forgive the newbness, but I'm thinking a Desktop and then run a VM Boxes with server OS's to do what @Dashrender is saying and thoughts on which ones to try. -
@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:
Back to the OP.
@WrCombs wants to things most likely...
a desktop environment to run in - So Fedora or Ubuntu most likely... and then a separate "server" box to install Linux Server OSes on to experiment with to do things like - setup FreePBX, setup NC, setup file server, etc.
yes.
I could even VM those, right? or no? - Forgive the newbness, but I'm thinking a Desktop and then run a VM Boxes with server OS's to do what @Dashrender is saying and thoughts on which ones to try.Boxes is weird, but yes. Throw Fedora or Ubuntu onto a laptop or desktop, install KVM, and virtualize anything that you want. You get a fully functional, and gorgeous desktop environment, but can test any server OS or alternative desktop OS that you like.
