The Linux / Windows approach gives you far more flexibility. MacOS is useless in a million scenarios. But when it is good, it's really good. The UI is still pretty crap, but things like patching they can do with a reliability no one else can. No matter how hard anyone tries, vertical integration of components means things like patching can be tested completely, not just spot checked.

@CCWTech said in Running X11 - Ubuntu 22.10 - Should I care?:

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AFAIK, Even VNC doesn't work on Wayland yet.

Nor does MeshCentral

Really? Now I need to go try that when I have a minute.

I just confirmed that mine is working on the default Fedora 37 desktop using both Firefox and Chromium.

Wayland with MeshCentral?

You SURE you are on Wayland?

Isn't Wayland the default for Fedora now? I'm using the stock Fedora, so I'm thinking I am.

Double check that. Maybe you updated from something with X.org.

Fresh install. Wiped root before installing (it was way behind, no point in upgrading).

Do you have NVIDIA drivers on the system? Those will revert you back to X.Org

Yep, sure do. Guess it's not wayland then.

You can check with

loginctl

and

'''
loginctl show-session -p Type <sessionid>

loginctl show-session -p Type 2
Type=wayland

Well shoot, are my Nvidia drivers not working? The more I find out, the more things I need to look at/fix.

What do you have it set to use?

I was under the impression that if you install the NVidia drivers, that you would wind up with X11 and not Wayland.

Found the problem and fixed it.

For anyone else having this problem:

sudo nano /etc/default/grub

Change this line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
To: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"

sudo update-grub

@Obsolesce said in Linux Desktop: what's the "preferred" distro?:

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@biggen said in Linux Desktop: what's the "preferred" distro?:

Getting ready to throw Mint Cinnamon onto a laptop although Pop OS seems to be the new belle of the ball nowadays.

Pop_OS doesn't make their own desktop like Mint does. Mint's focus is making an alternative desktop environment and Mint is just the showcase OS for it. Pop_OS! is a tweaking to Ubuntu used as the default on custom hardware.

Cinnamon is far and away my preferred DE. I just wish that other distro's / spins would integrate it as tightly with the underlying OS as Mint does. The add/remove (install/uninstall) integration right into the main menu is convenient. I just have an extreme dislike for their policy of staying on LTS / Stable packages and package base.

Fedora's Cinnamon spin is pretty much as integrated as Mint.

They are pretty much all integrated once installed. Many DEs have a software manager / software center gui now that is shortcutted.

Yeah, pretty much all DE have that now.

@JaredBusch said in Distro for school work?:

@Pete-S said in Distro for school work?:

Installed minecraft as well and it was really easy.

Just click on the link to the deb package and you're done. Apt package manager will pull in java and whatever else that is needed.
https://launcher.mojang.com/download/Minecraft.deb

Webcam works, tested it with cheese, which is installed by default.

All in all a smooth experience and mission accomplished.

If Roblox worked on Linux I could switch my kids. Those are the only two PC games they play at the moment.

Same

@StorageNinja said in Making a Raspberry Pi 4 or Similar SBC Desktop:

@scottalanmiller said in Making a Raspberry Pi 4 or Similar SBC Desktop:

RP4 with 4GB of RAM

The problem with Pi (and frankly a lot of the low end ARM) is these things have incomplete UEFI bios etc. You currently need to really be working on one of the distro's designed for it (Which is likely fine for your use case). ARM and our engineers are working on this though..

Good point. Definitely an issue. Ubuntu, which is what we use, does make for them at least.

@scottalanmiller said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

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@WrCombs said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

@Dashrender said in Linux OS Thoughts?:

Back to the OP.

@WrCombs wants to things most likely...

a desktop environment to run in - So Fedora or Ubuntu most likely... and then a separate "server" box to install Linux Server OSes on to experiment with to do things like - setup FreePBX, setup NC, setup file server, etc.

yes.
I could even VM those, right? or no? - Forgive the newbness, but I'm thinking a Desktop and then run a VM Boxes with server OS's to do what @Dashrender is saying and thoughts on which ones to try.

Boxes is weird, but yes. Throw Fedora or Ubuntu onto a laptop or desktop, install KVM, and virtualize anything that you want. You get a fully functional, and gorgeous desktop environment, but can test any server OS or alternative desktop OS that you like.

sounds like the likely chose..
I know they're out there; anyone got the link for the guides?

for installing KVM ;
I'll start another list of projects that I'm going to work on and go from there

https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-kvm-on-fedora/

Did I not have a guide here on ML?

For KVM on Fedora? Don't recall one.

Apparently not. I just did some searching, and it is mostly posts and screenshots of the various things in other people's threads.

@wrx7m said in Deepin 15.9 Installation Screens:

@travisdh1 said in Deepin 15.9 Installation Screens:

Am I the only one that still missed text mode installers? Probably.

I do find it funny, that they all have gui installers when everything is cli, out of the box.

Deepin is a desktop only, never meant to be a server or command line, though.

@black3dynamite said in Red Hat Discontinuing KDE in RHEL and CentOS:

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@travisdh1 said in Red Hat Discontinuing KDE in RHEL and CentOS:

@black3dynamite Aha! They both did it! Yes, I have a thing about an entire desktop worth of space getting forced down into one little bar, and the menu being at least 2 clicks deeper than it was.

Why is the menu deeper? I don't prefer this setup either, but it's no deeper. It's still a button on the desktop for me.

Because as the admin/geek, everything I want/need to use is a submenu of the all programs menu. Granted I mostly just favorite a terminal emulator and be done with it, but it is much farther to move around and menus for me to get through. Give me Cinnamon with a hotkey set for the menu any day.

As long as the search function works, I usually find what I need by searching for it.

^ this

@black3dynamite said in KaOS Linux Screenshots:

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@dbeato said in KaOS Linux Screenshots:

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@dbeato said in KaOS Linux Screenshots:

I have Ubuntu 18.04 and Deepin and it works great although Deeping uses a different UI.

What desktop environment are you using on ubuntu?

Gnome

I’ve got 18.04 with KDE.

Have you tried ubuntu Budgie 18.04?

No. I only have the one 18.04 instance.

Ubuntu Budgie 18.04 looks pretty nice.
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That's a great looking desktop.

Doesn't look bad. What kind of RAM utilization does it have?

@mlnews Now we just need to make sure it is supposed to be MSI or CLick to run 🙂

@jaredbusch said in Installing Google Chrome on Fedora 27:

@coliver said in Installing Google Chrome on Fedora 27:

@jaredbusch said in Installing Google Chrome on Fedora 27:

@scottalanmiller said in Installing Google Chrome on Fedora 27:

Chrome is easy to install but isn't included in Fedora. Here is the quick and effective way to do it.

WTF?

sudo dnf install -y https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_x86_64.rpm

That doesn't include the repo so it can easily update via dnf does it? Although chrome generally updated by itself so you may not need that functionality.

[jbusch@dt-jared ~]$ ls /etc/yum.repos.d/ fedora-cisco-openh264.repo fedora-updates-testing.repo rpmfusion-free.repo slack.repo fedora.repo google-chrome.repo rpmfusion-free-updates.repo vscode.repo fedora-updates.repo rpmfusion-free-rawhide.repo rpmfusion-free-updates-testing.repo zerotier.repo [jbusch@dt-jared ~]$ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/google-chrome.repo [google-chrome] name=google-chrome baseurl=http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/x86_64 enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub [jbusch@dt-jared ~]$

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Ah okay, looks like it does.

Has potential, has anyone played with it in any way yet?

@black3dynamite said in Installing NextCloud Sync Client on Deepin Linux 15.4.1:

@dbeato said in Installing NextCloud Sync Client on Deepin Linux 15.4.1:

@jackcpickup said in Installing NextCloud Sync Client on Deepin Linux 15.4.1:

NextCloud client is available in the Deepin Store now.

Yep!
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The latest version is 2.3.3

Yeah, the packages are outdated, I usually update through command line. The underlying system is debain so in the end I can use packages from Debian.

I heard that Solus plans to move from GTK to QT sometime soon. Is that in this release?

Majaro uses ext4 by default and handles software with the Pacman utility.