Best Backup Solution for 2019
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Okay so ESXi environment with 2-3TB of data that is running primarily Windows workloads, needing daily backups with databases of some variety, needing capability to backup to both on premise and offsite.
Presumably MS SQL based on the Windows bit.
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Bottom line is... to answer any questions about actual backups, we have to know everything. Any answer without those is just someone pulling a fast one to try to see if you'll accept their insincere answer or someone trying to sell something. No legitimate answer can be made without full info, none, it's impossible (hence why we had a session on this at MangoCon.) This is the basics of backups.
So that you asked a question, implies you want an answer from us. For any actual answer, we have to wait for more info. People will give answers without that info, either to just see if you'll take the bait, or to promote a solution that they like or sell or whatever, or maybe they don't understand what they are answering and don't realize that their tool can't do what they think it does in all cases.
Any continuing discussion without knowing what the options could potentially be, makes zero sense. We have no goals to work from. No way to know what a viable solution might be.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Presumably MS SQL based on the Windows bit.
That's a long shot. Yeah, it's likely that there is some SQL Server in there. But only SQL Server, totally possibly, but not like super likely. Maybe 50/50 chance. Once you have any number of servers. Plus we need to know what version of AD, some AD can be backed up with some tools, others cannot. Depends on the version because AD uses a NoSQL DB that isn't SQL Server.
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Also worth noting any on-premise appliance will need at least 90TB of capacity to meet the request.
So lets just recommend a Supermicro board, with 24 drive bays, 5400 RPM WD Red 6TB configured for RAID5.
I think that's a solid choice right there!
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Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
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@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
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@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
I'm sorry that most of us want to offer you a good solution instead of telling you to buy the first product that gets mentioned.
Not that Veeam is bad, it's very good. We just don't have any idea if it's a good solution for you.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
If this was anyone working for me, they'd be fired after they perform a full audit of everything they've done to date.
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@Obsolesce said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
If this was anyone working for me, they'd be fired after they perform a full audit of everything they've done to date.
I'm not really sure you know what you are talking about? Usually an audit will compose of requirements > Audit > correction necessary based on last audit. There is no firing in the process. You could be referring to a different thing and it seems i'm on a different page as well.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
If this was anyone working for me, they'd be fired after they perform a full audit of everything they've done to date.
I'm not really sure you know what you are talking about? Usually an audit will compose of requirements > Audit > correction necessary based on last audit. There is no firing in the process. You could be referring to a different thing and it seems i'm on a different page as well.
He's saying that your approach to this is reckless. You're not providing important details of your environment or even wanting the best possible solution. It seems like you're looking for somebody to sell you snake oil. If you worked for him and he discovered your process, you'd be gone.
The people in this thread are asking for specific details because they legitimately want to help you find the best solution. If you want VM snapshots, there's going to be a different best product than if you want to backup databases... It's all relevant, regardless what you may think.
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@travisdh1 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
I'm sorry that most of us want to offer you a good solution instead of telling you to buy the first product that gets mentioned.
Not that Veeam is bad, it's very good. We just don't have any idea if it's a good solution for you.
You have a point, but since one solution seems acceptable. I feel the best approach should be to present another better solution based on the current solution in the table.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@travisdh1 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
I'm sorry that most of us want to offer you a good solution instead of telling you to buy the first product that gets mentioned.
Not that Veeam is bad, it's very good. We just don't have any idea if it's a good solution for you.
You have a point, but since one solution seems acceptable. I feel the best approach should be to present another better solution based on the current solution in the table.
You: Hey boss, we found this one over sold solution. Here is a comparable oversold solution.
Boss: Your fired.
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@bnrstnr said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
If this was anyone working for me, they'd be fired after they perform a full audit of everything they've done to date.
I'm not really sure you know what you are talking about? Usually an audit will compose of requirements > Audit > correction necessary based on last audit. There is no firing in the process. You could be referring to a different thing and it seems i'm on a different page as well.
He's saying that your approach to this is reckless. You're not providing important details of your environment or even wanting the best possible solution. It seems like you're looking for somebody to sell you snake oil. If you worked for him and he discovered your process, you'd be gone.
The people in this thread are asking for specific details because they legitimately want to help you find the best solution. If you want VM snapshots, there's going to be a different best product than if you want to backup databases... It's all relevant, regardless what you may think.
My boss once told me, if i cannot present my project in 1 page. Do not submit it or break it into multiple projects. When i get few questions and still not get any answer i felt i may need to scrap this one. But since 1 idea came up, i could work on the only idea i got. Make sense?
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@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@travisdh1 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
I'm sorry that most of us want to offer you a good solution instead of telling you to buy the first product that gets mentioned.
Not that Veeam is bad, it's very good. We just don't have any idea if it's a good solution for you.
You have a point, but since one solution seems acceptable. I feel the best approach should be to present another better solution based on the current solution in the table.
You: Hey boss, we found this one over sold solution. Here is a comparable oversold solution.
Boss: Your fired.
Nope, business doesn't work like this. Its SOP to have 3 proposals.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@bnrstnr said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@Obsolesce said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
If this was anyone working for me, they'd be fired after they perform a full audit of everything they've done to date.
I'm not really sure you know what you are talking about? Usually an audit will compose of requirements > Audit > correction necessary based on last audit. There is no firing in the process. You could be referring to a different thing and it seems i'm on a different page as well.
He's saying that your approach to this is reckless. You're not providing important details of your environment or even wanting the best possible solution. It seems like you're looking for somebody to sell you snake oil. If you worked for him and he discovered your process, you'd be gone.
The people in this thread are asking for specific details because they legitimately want to help you find the best solution. If you want VM snapshots, there's going to be a different best product than if you want to backup databases... It's all relevant, regardless what you may think.
My boss once told me, if i cannot present my project in 1 page. Do not submit it or break it into multiple projects. When i get few questions and still not get any answer i felt i may need to scrap this one. But since 1 idea came up, i could work on the only idea i got. Make sense?
No, it doesn't make sense. Call Unitrends and when they answer the phone, simply say "backup Windows on ESX, with some databases" and they're going to ask you 20 more questions... the same thing we're doing.
Even getting "windows, ESX, and databases" out of you took 50 posts....
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@Obsolesce I've not seen Wasabi yet.
BackBlaze is integrated into several levels with Veeam and/or StarWind thus my suggestion to go in that direction.
Plus, in my mind the big point in BackBlaze's corner is their push-back against drive manufacturer's NDA on publishing reliability statistics. They are one of the only ones that I know of that do so every year. It's one report that I read as soon as its available ever year.
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@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@travisdh1 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@JaredBusch said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@justin867 said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
@PhlipElder said in Best Backup Solution for 2019:
Veeam set up to back up to a Synology RAID 1 NAS with enough storage to meet your recovery point objectives.
Backup file destination should be password protected with read-only access for all accounts but admin and Veeam user.
A pair of NAS devices set up identically could be used to provide an air-gap for the backups.
A small single drive NAS/external enclosure could provide a similar setup.
StarWind Virtual Tape Library set up as a backup destination that can then trickle the backups up to BackBlaze would be one of the least expensive off-site/cloud solutions.
well said! thank you very much.
And doens't mean a damned thing because you never gave any actual detail.
That's your opinion, if Phlipelder is selling me a product. I already start discussing with him the details while the other sellers still asking for questions and doesn't seem to have an idea. I feel most of you guys have an idea but choose to do the "play hard to get" approach. Lol.
I'm sorry that most of us want to offer you a good solution instead of telling you to buy the first product that gets mentioned.
Not that Veeam is bad, it's very good. We just don't have any idea if it's a good solution for you.
You have a point, but since one solution seems acceptable. I feel the best approach should be to present another better solution based on the current solution in the table.
"Solution" is overused there. It's a product, not a solution. It is unknown if it is a solution in this situation or not. It's a product you can buy, yes. But that's a far cry from solving a problem. It is possible that it won't do what is needed at all, or it is possible that it is perfect. But without deep knowledge, we can't compare it to other products in relative terms, or know if it is a solution for you or not, in absolute terms.
