VM Suggestions? Best Practice?
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I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs that thing is a joke and a half.
To run Windows 10 this just barely meets the minimal requirements.
Good to know - cause its on the way to my house.
Return it. Hell - refuse the package so it goes back to the sender
I don't think refusing the shipment would work out well. He'd be better just going through the Amazon return process.
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs that thing is a joke and a half.
To run Windows 10 this just barely meets the minimal requirements.
Good to know - cause its on the way to my house.
Return it. Hell - refuse the package so it goes back to the sender
I don't think refusing the shipment would work out well. He'd be better just going through the Amazon return process.
Definitely. Just refusing could have bad consequences.
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Speaking of old computers, how soon is too soon to get (toddlers and kids) to use a computer?
My kid started with a tablet and then a computer.
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@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
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@black3dynamite said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Speaking of old computers, how soon is too soon to get (toddlers and kids) to use a computer?
My kid started with a tablet and then a computer.
But at what age?
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@black3dynamite said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Speaking of old computers, how soon is too soon to get (toddlers and kids) to use a computer?
My kid started with a tablet and then a computer.
But at what age?
Around three or four for the tablet and then at five for the computer.
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
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@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
He was, but he claimed that running the VMs would be a total PITA to do any other way - and like this whole thread has been saying - While being forced to live the root life in a Linux OS, he could easily have a Windows 10 VM in KVM to do his personal daily stuff, while also using KVM to have as many more Win 10 VMs for testing - and the snaps for rollbacks, etc.
I basically beat Dustin to saying this is all.
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@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
OK - so you have some experience - what makes it smoother?
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
He was, but he claimed that running the VMs would be a total PITA to do any other way - and like this whole thread has been saying - While being forced to live the root life in a Linux OS, he could easily have a Windows 10 VM in KVM to do his personal daily stuff, while also using KVM to have as many more Win 10 VMs for testing - and the snaps for rollbacks, etc.
I basically beat Dustin to saying this is all.
@Obsolesce the issue is the laptop he purchased is a toy you'd purchase for a toddler or kid, maybe even lower grade depending on who you ask.
@Dashrender no you didn't. Have you read this entire topic?
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@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
That isn't how Hyper-V works.
It's Hyper-V with a Windows 10 Dom 0. On which you can build a Windows 10 guest on top of.
Windows is never on the hardware when Hyper-V is involved. .
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
He was, but he claimed that running the VMs would be a total PITA to do any other way - and like this whole thread has been saying - While being forced to live the root life in a Linux OS, he could easily have a Windows 10 VM in KVM to do his personal daily stuff, while also using KVM to have as many more Win 10 VMs for testing - and the snaps for rollbacks, etc.
I basically beat Dustin to saying this is all.
@Obsolesce the issue is the laptop he purchased is a toy you'd purchase for a toddler or kid, maybe even lower grade depending on who you ask.
@Dashrender no you didn't. Have you read this entire topic?
I beat you to telling it to @Obsolesce , not Wrcombs. read the entire nested thread.
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@Dashrender ah, well in that case. . .
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@black3dynamite said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Speaking of old computers, how soon is too soon to get (toddlers and kids) to use a computer?
My kid started with a tablet and then a computer.
But at what age?
Tablet at 1, computer at 3.
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@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
Windows 10 HOME. No Hyper-V.
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
OK - so you have some experience - what makes it smoother?
It's smoother because it puts Windows into the Dom0 and gives it heightened access. Same way that the base Fedora install with KVM is smoother than one of the guest Vms.
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But with Hyper-V, it is a Windows VM that gets that benefit. And with KVM it is Linux that gets it.
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
That isn't how Hyper-V works.
It's Hyper-V with a Windows 10 Dom 0. On which you can build a Windows 10 guest on top of.
Windows is never on the hardware when Hyper-V is involved. .
I know EXACTLY how Hyper-V works.
See:
https://mangolassi.it/post/344794
and:
https://mangolassi.it/post/401537
In modern Hyper-V, a Windows 10 VM does not run on top of the parent partition.
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
OK - so you have some experience - what makes it smoother?
It's smoother because it puts Windows into the Dom0 and gives it heightened access. Same way that the base Fedora install with KVM is smoother than one of the guest Vms.
OK that explains Dom0,
So now I ask - are the other Windows VMs basically the same on KVM vs Hyper-V?
