VM Suggestions? Best Practice?
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@hobbit666 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
What sort of budget could you throw at it?
right now? nothing for the next 2 weeks
Then just send it back and do without until you have a clear need. Having a laptop is great, but don't get one just to spend the money and definitely don't get something ridiculous that is bordering on useless based solely on a need to use it as a device for a job that didn't provide you a laptop for home.
I don't consider it really acceptable to expect to do a job and not be provided the tools to do the job. They don't expect you to come to work and bring your own computer - why would they expect you to work from home on your own gear?
Speaking of that - are they paying your cellphone bill? I'm assuming you are using that for work purposes as well while you are at home on call.
They pay a portion of the Cell phone bill
So why the hell aren't you provided a laptop to work from home while on call?
This is employee abuse and can get the business into a lot of trouble. @Dashrender care sending a few emails to the Employee Rights board for your area?
Not really, requiring a laptop can be like requiring a car. Lots of jobs state that up front. It's totally legal. Sometimes you are expected to provide your own tools, especially if they are so common that you'd expect anyone to have them (car, computer, phone, etc.)
Is it good? Not really. Is it legal and common, yes.
It would have to be declared somewhere if that is the expectation.
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@hobbit666 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
What sort of budget could you throw at it?
right now? nothing for the next 2 weeks
Then just send it back and do without until you have a clear need. Having a laptop is great, but don't get one just to spend the money and definitely don't get something ridiculous that is bordering on useless based solely on a need to use it as a device for a job that didn't provide you a laptop for home.
I don't consider it really acceptable to expect to do a job and not be provided the tools to do the job. They don't expect you to come to work and bring your own computer - why would they expect you to work from home on your own gear?
Speaking of that - are they paying your cellphone bill? I'm assuming you are using that for work purposes as well while you are at home on call.
They pay a portion of the Cell phone bill
So why the hell aren't you provided a laptop to work from home while on call?
This is employee abuse and can get the business into a lot of trouble. @Dashrender care sending a few emails to the Employee Rights board for your area?
Not really, requiring a laptop can be like requiring a car. Lots of jobs state that up front. It's totally legal. Sometimes you are expected to provide your own tools, especially if they are so common that you'd expect anyone to have them (car, computer, phone, etc.)
Is it good? Not really. Is it legal and common, yes.
It would have to be declared somewhere if that is the expectation.
It often is.
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@hobbit666 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
What sort of budget could you throw at it?
right now? nothing for the next 2 weeks
Then just send it back and do without until you have a clear need. Having a laptop is great, but don't get one just to spend the money and definitely don't get something ridiculous that is bordering on useless based solely on a need to use it as a device for a job that didn't provide you a laptop for home.
I don't consider it really acceptable to expect to do a job and not be provided the tools to do the job. They don't expect you to come to work and bring your own computer - why would they expect you to work from home on your own gear?
Speaking of that - are they paying your cellphone bill? I'm assuming you are using that for work purposes as well while you are at home on call.
They pay a portion of the Cell phone bill
So why the hell aren't you provided a laptop to work from home while on call?
This is employee abuse and can get the business into a lot of trouble. @Dashrender care sending a few emails to the Employee Rights board for your area?
Not really, requiring a laptop can be like requiring a car. Lots of jobs state that up front. It's totally legal. Sometimes you are expected to provide your own tools, especially if they are so common that you'd expect anyone to have them (car, computer, phone, etc.)
Is it good? Not really. Is it legal and common, yes.
It would have to be declared somewhere if that is the expectation.
It often is.
I doubt this place has that documented anywhere based on how this conversation as gone.
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Requiring a Windows laptop is above and beyond. Loads and loads of people don't have Windows computers at home any more. Chomebooks, iPads, etc. all have displaced them.
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"An employer can require you to use your own computer at work, and offer you no compensation, though for a variety of reasons it is difficult to find an organization with this kind of strict policy. "
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/can-an-employer-require-me-to-use-my-own-computer-at-work-2060629
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@hobbit666 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
What sort of budget could you throw at it?
right now? nothing for the next 2 weeks
Then just send it back and do without until you have a clear need. Having a laptop is great, but don't get one just to spend the money and definitely don't get something ridiculous that is bordering on useless based solely on a need to use it as a device for a job that didn't provide you a laptop for home.
I don't consider it really acceptable to expect to do a job and not be provided the tools to do the job. They don't expect you to come to work and bring your own computer - why would they expect you to work from home on your own gear?
Speaking of that - are they paying your cellphone bill? I'm assuming you are using that for work purposes as well while you are at home on call.
They pay a portion of the Cell phone bill
So why the hell aren't you provided a laptop to work from home while on call?
This is employee abuse and can get the business into a lot of trouble. @Dashrender care sending a few emails to the Employee Rights board for your area?
Not really, requiring a laptop can be like requiring a car. Lots of jobs state that up front. It's totally legal. Sometimes you are expected to provide your own tools, especially if they are so common that you'd expect anyone to have them (car, computer, phone, etc.)
Is it good? Not really. Is it legal and common, yes.
Agreed - this is frequently the case - but you're also generally compensated for using your own tools (car mileage paid, value lost on physical tools - enabling you to buy replacements when the time arises, etc)
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@hobbit666 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
What sort of budget could you throw at it?
right now? nothing for the next 2 weeks
Then just send it back and do without until you have a clear need. Having a laptop is great, but don't get one just to spend the money and definitely don't get something ridiculous that is bordering on useless based solely on a need to use it as a device for a job that didn't provide you a laptop for home.
I don't consider it really acceptable to expect to do a job and not be provided the tools to do the job. They don't expect you to come to work and bring your own computer - why would they expect you to work from home on your own gear?
Speaking of that - are they paying your cellphone bill? I'm assuming you are using that for work purposes as well while you are at home on call.
They pay a portion of the Cell phone bill
So why the hell aren't you provided a laptop to work from home while on call?
This is employee abuse and can get the business into a lot of trouble. @Dashrender care sending a few emails to the Employee Rights board for your area?
Not really, requiring a laptop can be like requiring a car. Lots of jobs state that up front. It's totally legal. Sometimes you are expected to provide your own tools, especially if they are so common that you'd expect anyone to have them (car, computer, phone, etc.)
Is it good? Not really. Is it legal and common, yes.
Agreed - this is frequently the case - but you're also generally compensated for using your own tools (car mileage paid, value lost on physical tools - enabling you to buy replacements when the time arises, etc)
Actually, no. Most commonly, you are not.
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In California he'd be protected and the company would have to provide or pay for the laptop. But not in the US in general.
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@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
"An employer can require you to use your own computer at work, and offer you no compensation, though for a variety of reasons it is difficult to find an organization with this kind of strict policy. "
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/can-an-employer-require-me-to-use-my-own-computer-at-work-2060629
Well, you're quoting some random website (at least I've never heard of those people). Assuming it's true, I would only take a job like that where the pay was so high as to make the use of my own equipment completely irrelevant.
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
"An employer can require you to use your own computer at work, and offer you no compensation, though for a variety of reasons it is difficult to find an organization with this kind of strict policy. "
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/can-an-employer-require-me-to-use-my-own-computer-at-work-2060629
Well, you're quoting some random website (at least I've never heard of those people). Assuming it's true, I would only take a job like that where the pay was so high as to make the use of my own equipment completely irrelevant.
Exactly.
Double the normal rate for the position and area would qualify. But if I had to provide everything. Eh good luck and go find another fool to take that job.
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@scottalanmiller said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
"An employer can require you to use your own computer at work, and offer you no compensation, though for a variety of reasons it is difficult to find an organization with this kind of strict policy. "
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/can-an-employer-require-me-to-use-my-own-computer-at-work-2060629
Well, you're quoting some random website (at least I've never heard of those people). Assuming it's true, I would only take a job like that where the pay was so high as to make the use of my own equipment completely irrelevant.
Sure, in theory. In high paying positions, this is just assumed. Every job I've had for decades requires phone, laptop, ISP, etc. and pays for none of it. You also earn enough that you would never think to ask for it to be paid for.
But when people are desperate and feel trapped, they don't walk away from jobs for lacking that small benefit.
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I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs that thing is a joke and a half.
To run Windows 10 this just barely meets the minimal requirements.
Good to know - cause its on the way to my house.
Return it. Hell - refuse the package so it goes back to the sender
I don't think refusing the shipment would work out well. He'd be better just going through the Amazon return process.
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@WrCombs that thing is a joke and a half.
To run Windows 10 this just barely meets the minimal requirements.
Good to know - cause its on the way to my house.
Return it. Hell - refuse the package so it goes back to the sender
I don't think refusing the shipment would work out well. He'd be better just going through the Amazon return process.
Definitely. Just refusing could have bad consequences.
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Speaking of old computers, how soon is too soon to get (toddlers and kids) to use a computer?
My kid started with a tablet and then a computer.
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@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
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@black3dynamite said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Speaking of old computers, how soon is too soon to get (toddlers and kids) to use a computer?
My kid started with a tablet and then a computer.
But at what age?
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@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@black3dynamite said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@DustinB3403 said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
Speaking of old computers, how soon is too soon to get (toddlers and kids) to use a computer?
My kid started with a tablet and then a computer.
But at what age?
Around three or four for the tablet and then at five for the computer.
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@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
Edit... But no, running Win10 VM on Hyper-V on Win10 is smooth AF. I use fedora Workstation on a laptop too with a Win10 VM, Win10 and Hyper-V is smoother.
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@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Dashrender said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
@Obsolesce said in VM Suggestions? Best Practice?:
I needed to do a ton of testing in many scenarios. The easiest and most efficient thing for me to do, being that I was running Win10 Pro, was to simply enable the built in Hyper-V, then install a few Win10 VMs of different versions , creating multiple checkpoints along the way for quickly going back to different points or places to test.
This worked extremely well for me. Doing it any other way would have been a total PITA.
Well - just to give credit to the KVM solution - it would be nearly if not identically easy to do that with KVM.
I thought he was running Win10 on his laptop.
He was, but he claimed that running the VMs would be a total PITA to do any other way - and like this whole thread has been saying - While being forced to live the root life in a Linux OS, he could easily have a Windows 10 VM in KVM to do his personal daily stuff, while also using KVM to have as many more Win 10 VMs for testing - and the snaps for rollbacks, etc.
I basically beat Dustin to saying this is all.
