Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam
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@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.
yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.
Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?
Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.
Wow - there are so many pitfalls to that thinking.
But learning something on your own for your job is definitely not the same as working - if you bosses demand you spend your non paid time to learn something, that would be illegal/working.
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@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.
yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.
Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?
Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.
Wow - there are so many pitfalls to that thinking.
But learning something on your own for your job is definitely not the same as working - if you bosses demand you spend your non paid time to learn something, that would be illegal/working.
Right but that's not how you said it initially.
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@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?
Right but that's not how you said it initially.
Nothing in that statement implies the boss is making Dustin learn on his own time.
I was really trying to see if Scott thinks that Dustin should be learning something not work related vs something definitely helpful now - in the end it doesn't matter, It was only a question.
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@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?
Right but that's not how you said it initially.
Nothing in that statement implies the boss is making Dustin learn on his own time.
I was really trying to see if Scott thinks that Dustin should be learning something not work related vs something definitely helpful now - in the end it doesn't matter, It was only a question.
I see what you mean.
I would think whatever is best for your career, whether that's for your current company or not I think depends on the circumstances.
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@DustinB3403 I haven't used SPX at all, so I can't really compare. I have used Veeam for everything from End Point backup and full system restore to using Veeam Quick Migration to move a running VM from one datastore to another. Back when I was running on prem Exchange servers even restored individual emails. Veeam makes all those tasks pretty easy.
I think the hardest part was figuring out what the Veeam name for what I wanted to do was. (Veeam QuickMigration = VMware Datastore vMotion for example)
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@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.
yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.
Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?
Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.
That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.
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@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.
yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.
Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?
Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.
That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.
CompanyA says to Employee1: "We just got this new software. I need you to learn it at home so you can manage it at work. Do it on your free time, unpaid. If you don't learn it, you can't help us, therefore we will find a replacement."
That is how I took it.
Now, I don't have a degree in corporate law, so this is just an assumption that would be illegal. So if anyone does specialize in this that can say so for sure, I would like to know now out of curiosity.
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@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.
yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.
Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?
Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.
That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.
CompanyA says to Employee1: "We just got this new software. I need you to learn it at home so you can manage it at work. Do it on your free time, unpaid. If you don't learn it, you can't help us, therefore we will find a replacement."
That is how I took it.
Now, I don't have a degree in corporate law, so this is just an assumption that would be illegal. So if anyone does specialize in this that can say so for sure, I would like to know now out of curiosity.
Firing someone for not working for free is illegal. Learning on your own time is not.
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It's who directs the learning that matters. You or the employer.
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But his work needs him to learn
Yes, that was the original point in the question.
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@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
But his work needs him to learn
Yes, that was the original point in the question.
Right, but Dustin isn't being threatened to be fired if he doesn't learn it on it own time - at least Dustin hasn't said that was the case.
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@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
But his work needs him to learn
Yes, that was the original point in the question.
Sorry didn't understand they were pushing him to learn for work on his own time.
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@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
But his work needs him to learn
Yes, that was the original point in the question.
Sorry didn't understand they were pushing him to learn for work on his own time.
They aren't.
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This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...
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Added StorageCraft tag.
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@DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...
What is the price difference? Until the agents are completely out there. SPC offers the ability to backup physical or virtual servers. Veeam was (centrally) virtual only.
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@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...
What is the price difference? Until the agents are completely out there. SPC offers the ability to backup physical or virtual servers. Veeam was (centrally) virtual only.
Was, but they've had the decentalized agents out for a bit just prepping them for addition to the central control.
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@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...
What is the price difference? Until the agents are completely out there. SPC offers the ability to backup physical or virtual servers. Veeam was (centrally) virtual only.
Was, but they've had the decentalized agents out for a bit just prepping them for addition to the central control.
What exactly is a decentralized agent?
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@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...
What is the price difference? Until the agents are completely out there. SPC offers the ability to backup physical or virtual servers. Veeam was (centrally) virtual only.
Was, but they've had the decentalized agents out for a bit just prepping them for addition to the central control.
What exactly is a decentralized agent?
You mentioned the centralized one, all that is is the existing one we talk about all the time but with central control added in.
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@scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
@DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:
This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...
What is the price difference? Until the agents are completely out there. SPC offers the ability to backup physical or virtual servers. Veeam was (centrally) virtual only.
Was, but they've had the decentalized agents out for a bit just prepping them for addition to the central control.
The new Veeam Windows and Linux agents are separate products and licensing. They are new and in beta. I would never put a production environment on beta backup software. It's too new. Id rather go with a vendor who's already both physical and virtual in the same product naturally, if you know what I mean
