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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

      @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

      @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

      @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

      So what is it about SPX you don't like? Their boot recovery disk doesn't work? That does seem like a total failure on their part for full system recovery.

      This and the fact that the platform as a whole seems horribly convoluted.

      What makes it a failure?
      What makes it convoluted? Can you share screen shots of things that you feel are overly complicated?

      The failure is on the recovery environment. The user interface when using the program (i don't have screenshots) is just awkward to say the least.

      It doesn't help that I use SPX so rarely in my day to day, but if you recall going from Windows 2000 to XP, you'll understand what it feels like.

      Is that really the fault of the product? I wouldn't think so. Scott's post from a few mins ago talks about book - really more about reading in this context - but it sounds like you need to sit down and RTFM. 😉

      Don't feel bad, I'm not great at doing that myself.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender I'd love to RTFM if I ever had time, there are other issues that cause me to not be able to do this (management), but also the expectation that I be an "expert" on SPX.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

          @Dashrender I'd love to RTFM if I ever had time, there are other issues that cause me to not be able to do this (management), but also the expectation that I be an "expert" on SPX.

          OK @scottalanmiller Here's a question - would you call Dustin (or anyone) lazy for not taking time out of their non working hours to read manual in the above situation?

          If you do, when do you consider yourself 'off the clock' enough to not be learning something new for IT?

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

              @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

              yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

              Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @Obsolesce
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                  @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                  @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                  @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                  yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                  Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                  Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

                  Wow - there are so many pitfalls to that thinking.

                  But learning something on your own for your job is definitely not the same as working - if you bosses demand you spend your non paid time to learn something, that would be illegal/working.

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                  • ObsolesceO
                    Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                    @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                    @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                    @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                    @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                    yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                    Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                    Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

                    Wow - there are so many pitfalls to that thinking.

                    But learning something on your own for your job is definitely not the same as working - if you bosses demand you spend your non paid time to learn something, that would be illegal/working.

                    Right but that's not how you said it initially.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @Obsolesce
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                      @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                      @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                      Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                      Right but that's not how you said it initially.

                      Nothing in that statement implies the boss is making Dustin learn on his own time.

                      I was really trying to see if Scott thinks that Dustin should be learning something not work related vs something definitely helpful now - in the end it doesn't matter, It was only a question.

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                      • ObsolesceO
                        Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                        @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                        @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                        @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                        Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                        Right but that's not how you said it initially.

                        Nothing in that statement implies the boss is making Dustin learn on his own time.

                        I was really trying to see if Scott thinks that Dustin should be learning something not work related vs something definitely helpful now - in the end it doesn't matter, It was only a question.

                        I see what you mean.

                        I would think whatever is best for your career, whether that's for your current company or not I think depends on the circumstances.

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                        • Mike DavisM
                          Mike Davis
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                          @DustinB3403 I haven't used SPX at all, so I can't really compare. I have used Veeam for everything from End Point backup and full system restore to using Veeam Quick Migration to move a running VM from one datastore to another. Back when I was running on prem Exchange servers even restored individual emails. Veeam makes all those tasks pretty easy.

                          I think the hardest part was figuring out what the Veeam name for what I wanted to do was. (Veeam QuickMigration = VMware Datastore vMotion for example)

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                            @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                            @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                            @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                            yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                            Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                            Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

                            That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.

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                            • ObsolesceO
                              Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                              @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                              @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                              @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                              yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                              Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                              Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

                              That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.

                              CompanyA says to Employee1: "We just got this new software. I need you to learn it at home so you can manage it at work. Do it on your free time, unpaid. If you don't learn it, you can't help us, therefore we will find a replacement."

                              That is how I took it.

                              Now, I don't have a degree in corporate law, so this is just an assumption that would be illegal. So if anyone does specialize in this that can say so for sure, I would like to know now out of curiosity.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                                yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                                Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                                Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

                                That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.

                                CompanyA says to Employee1: "We just got this new software. I need you to learn it at home so you can manage it at work. Do it on your free time, unpaid. If you don't learn it, you can't help us, therefore we will find a replacement."

                                That is how I took it.

                                Now, I don't have a degree in corporate law, so this is just an assumption that would be illegal. So if anyone does specialize in this that can say so for sure, I would like to know now out of curiosity.

                                Firing someone for not working for free is illegal. Learning on your own time is not.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  It's who directs the learning that matters. You or the employer.

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                                    But his work needs him to learn

                                    Yes, that was the original point in the question.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @Obsolesce
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                                      @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                      But his work needs him to learn

                                      Yes, that was the original point in the question.

                                      Right, but Dustin isn't being threatened to be fired if he doesn't learn it on it own time - at least Dustin hasn't said that was the case.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                        @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                        But his work needs him to learn

                                        Yes, that was the original point in the question.

                                        Sorry didn't understand they were pushing him to learn for work on his own time.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                          @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                          @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                          But his work needs him to learn

                                          Yes, that was the original point in the question.

                                          Sorry didn't understand they were pushing him to learn for work on his own time.

                                          They aren't.

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                                          • DustinB3403D
                                            DustinB3403
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                                            This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...

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