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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

      @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

      yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

      Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

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      • ObsolesceO
        Obsolesce @Dashrender
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        @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

        @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

        @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

        yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

        Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

        Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @Obsolesce
          last edited by

          @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

          @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

          @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

          @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

          yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

          Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

          Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

          Wow - there are so many pitfalls to that thinking.

          But learning something on your own for your job is definitely not the same as working - if you bosses demand you spend your non paid time to learn something, that would be illegal/working.

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce @Dashrender
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            @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

            @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

            @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

            @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

            @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

            yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

            Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

            Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

            Wow - there are so many pitfalls to that thinking.

            But learning something on your own for your job is definitely not the same as working - if you bosses demand you spend your non paid time to learn something, that would be illegal/working.

            Right but that's not how you said it initially.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @Obsolesce
              last edited by

              @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

              @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

              Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

              Right but that's not how you said it initially.

              Nothing in that statement implies the boss is making Dustin learn on his own time.

              I was really trying to see if Scott thinks that Dustin should be learning something not work related vs something definitely helpful now - in the end it doesn't matter, It was only a question.

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              • ObsolesceO
                Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                Right but that's not how you said it initially.

                Nothing in that statement implies the boss is making Dustin learn on his own time.

                I was really trying to see if Scott thinks that Dustin should be learning something not work related vs something definitely helpful now - in the end it doesn't matter, It was only a question.

                I see what you mean.

                I would think whatever is best for your career, whether that's for your current company or not I think depends on the circumstances.

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                • Mike DavisM
                  Mike Davis
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                  @DustinB3403 I haven't used SPX at all, so I can't really compare. I have used Veeam for everything from End Point backup and full system restore to using Veeam Quick Migration to move a running VM from one datastore to another. Back when I was running on prem Exchange servers even restored individual emails. Veeam makes all those tasks pretty easy.

                  I think the hardest part was figuring out what the Veeam name for what I wanted to do was. (Veeam QuickMigration = VMware Datastore vMotion for example)

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                    last edited by

                    @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                    @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                    @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                    yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                    Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                    Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

                    That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                      @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                      @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                      @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                      yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                      Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                      Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

                      That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.

                      CompanyA says to Employee1: "We just got this new software. I need you to learn it at home so you can manage it at work. Do it on your free time, unpaid. If you don't learn it, you can't help us, therefore we will find a replacement."

                      That is how I took it.

                      Now, I don't have a degree in corporate law, so this is just an assumption that would be illegal. So if anyone does specialize in this that can say so for sure, I would like to know now out of curiosity.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                        @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                        @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                        @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                        @Dashrender you are using the example of someone not wanting to work while not paid to compare to an unrelated conversation where someone didn't want to do their job while on the clock.

                        yes and no - I was more wondering if you consider it an IT person's job to learn regardless of being paid or not.

                        Let's assume Dustin is personally trying to learn about MariaDB. But his work needs him to learn about SPX. Should he spend that free time that he wanted to spend on MariaDB instead on SPX? or is it his company's job to give him the time to learn on their dime?

                        Unless the company is paying you, its illegal to work. Learning something for your job is working.

                        That would imply that college is illegal unless you are paid. Learning is for you, not your job. But it is also at your discretion.

                        CompanyA says to Employee1: "We just got this new software. I need you to learn it at home so you can manage it at work. Do it on your free time, unpaid. If you don't learn it, you can't help us, therefore we will find a replacement."

                        That is how I took it.

                        Now, I don't have a degree in corporate law, so this is just an assumption that would be illegal. So if anyone does specialize in this that can say so for sure, I would like to know now out of curiosity.

                        Firing someone for not working for free is illegal. Learning on your own time is not.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          It's who directs the learning that matters. You or the employer.

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                          • ObsolesceO
                            Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                            But his work needs him to learn

                            Yes, that was the original point in the question.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @Obsolesce
                              last edited by

                              @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                              But his work needs him to learn

                              Yes, that was the original point in the question.

                              Right, but Dustin isn't being threatened to be fired if he doesn't learn it on it own time - at least Dustin hasn't said that was the case.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                                last edited by

                                @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                But his work needs him to learn

                                Yes, that was the original point in the question.

                                Sorry didn't understand they were pushing him to learn for work on his own time.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                  @Tim_G said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                  But his work needs him to learn

                                  Yes, that was the original point in the question.

                                  Sorry didn't understand they were pushing him to learn for work on his own time.

                                  They aren't.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
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                                    This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      Added StorageCraft tag.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                        last edited by

                                        @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                        This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...

                                        What is the price difference? Until the agents are completely out there. SPC offers the ability to backup physical or virtual servers. Veeam was (centrally) virtual only.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                          @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                          This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...

                                          What is the price difference? Until the agents are completely out there. SPC offers the ability to backup physical or virtual servers. Veeam was (centrally) virtual only.

                                          Was, but they've had the decentalized agents out for a bit just prepping them for addition to the central control.

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                            @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                            @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect SPX vs Veeam:

                                            This isn't a topic of being forced to learn on my own time or not. This was a question of why do people choose Veeam over spx...

                                            What is the price difference? Until the agents are completely out there. SPC offers the ability to backup physical or virtual servers. Veeam was (centrally) virtual only.

                                            Was, but they've had the decentalized agents out for a bit just prepping them for addition to the central control.

                                            What exactly is a decentralized agent?

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