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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

      @Mike-Davis in those cases, you'd not use the TV directly but get a cheaper TV that doesn't have a media system built in and connect it to a Roku or Raspberry Pi or something else simple that will handle the decoding.

      Yes, and again, that gets out of your scope. I seriously think your best choice will be a standard camcorder, HDMI splitter, and long HDMI cables to the other rooms. If Long HDMI is not going to work, then HDMI to Ethernet converters.

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      • Mike DavisM
        Mike Davis
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        I did notice that running VLC and doing the transcoding was using up 60% of my Xeon CPU, so a faster computer would probably be needed, then we have to deal with running VLC and making sure the Roku picks back up if the stream was interrupted. In my testing if I made a setting change, VLC on the client side just stopped and didn't pick back up even if the stream resumed. So bottom line, I would probably have at least $600-$1000 in to a PC.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
          last edited by

          @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

          I did notice that running VLC and doing the transcoding ...

          That's the secret to any of those kinds of things....don't transcode. Transcoding is a massive power user and reduces quality a lot and introduces latency. If you need to transcode, reconsider your sources.

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          • Mike DavisM
            Mike Davis
            last edited by Mike Davis

            I think @JaredBusch is right.

            I just found this:
            Bosch DINION AN 5000 1/3" CCD 960H True D/N WDR Camera Kit with 5-50 mm Lens
            https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1140425-REG/bosch_f_01u_295_530_dinion_an_5000_1_3.html
            Add to that a $120 splitter and some coax cable and I can go straight in to the back of the TV via the composite RCA input.

            I'm sure for a little more I could find one with a HDMI output and do just what Jared said.

            If they ever want to go digital, a $50 capture card in the PC will accept the composite video.

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @Mike Davis
              last edited by

              @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

              I think @JaredBusch is right.

              I just found this:
              Bosch DINION AN 5000 1/3" CCD 960H True D/N WDR Camera Kit with 5-50 mm Lens
              https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1140425-REG/bosch_f_01u_295_530_dinion_an_5000_1_3.html
              Add to that a $120 splitter and some coax cable and I can go straight in to the back of the TV via the composite RCA input.

              I'm sure for a little more I could find one with a HDMI output and do just what Jared said.

              If they ever want to go digital, a $50 capture card in the PC will accept the composite video.

              That is a security camera and not something you can typically just hook up to a TV. They do not output on a "channel."

              You are still over shopping.
              https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/534312-REG/Hamilton_HDV5200_1_HDV5200_High_Definition_Digital.html

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch
                last edited by JaredBusch

                The only issue I would expect with a camcorder is turning it on after a power fail or something.

                A GoPro Hero 5 will give you bluetooth/wifi acces as well as HDMI out. and is only $400 MSRP.
                https://shop.gopro.com/cameras

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch
                  last edited by JaredBusch

                  GoPro specifically works for broadcasting and is cheaper than the camera you listed.
                  https://gopro.com/support/articles/best-ways-to-achieve-video-out-signal-via-hdmi

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                    last edited by

                    @JaredBusch said in analog video stream:

                    GoPro specifically works for broadcasting and is cheaper than the camera you listed.
                    https://gopro.com/support/articles/best-ways-to-achieve-video-out-signal-via-hdmi

                    And GoPro image quality is amazing. I have one, as does @MarigabyFrias and @rob, and we all love them. Even a 2 or a 3 would do a great job. I have a Hero 4 Black and it is definitely significant overkill.

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                    • JaredBuschJ
                      JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

                      @JaredBusch said in analog video stream:

                      GoPro specifically works for broadcasting and is cheaper than the camera you listed.
                      https://gopro.com/support/articles/best-ways-to-achieve-video-out-signal-via-hdmi

                      And GoPro image quality is amazing. I have one, as does @MarigabyFrias and @rob, and we all love them. Even a 2 or a 3 would do a great job. I have a Hero 4 Black and it is definitely significant overkill.

                      Yes a used one from the list in the broadcast article would be even cheaper.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
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                        Hero3 would be probably the best bet and super cheap.

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                        • Mike DavisM
                          Mike Davis
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                          So after a few more hours working with OBS, I discovered that you can output to a second screen. You have to right click on the source window, and choose "Full Screen Projector Preview" and then select the right output depending on your system such as "Display 1"

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                          • Mike DavisM
                            Mike Davis
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                            I also discovered that to get a full screen output of a IP cam (in my case an old Foscam) you have to find the right URL from the manufacture. In my case it ended up being:
                            http://username:[email protected]/videostream.cgi?&resolution=32&rate=0

                            even though the documentation from Foscam said to use:
                            http://192.168.0.37/videostream.cgi?user=username&pwd=password&resolution=32&rate=0

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
                              last edited by

                              @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                              So after a few more hours working with OBS, I discovered that you can output to a second screen. You have to right click on the source window, and choose "Full Screen Projector Preview" and then select the right output depending on your system such as "Display 1"

                              So is that the direction that you are going now? How is it working? Are you doing long run HDMI for this?

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said in analog video stream:

                                @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                                So after a few more hours working with OBS, I discovered that you can output to a second screen. You have to right click on the source window, and choose "Full Screen Projector Preview" and then select the right output depending on your system such as "Display 1"

                                So is that the direction that you are going now? How is it working? Are you doing long run HDMI for this?

                                I hope it is not. The time wasted doing all of this testing with old gear is crazy.

                                I mean, OBS sounds like good technology, but who is paying him to do all this work?

                                The simple solution is a camera (used or new GoPro) and direct HDMI with a splitter. HDMI extender if needed.

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                                • Mike DavisM
                                  Mike Davis @JaredBusch
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                                  When I laid out the options, they started to have second thoughts about being able to record, create streams, etc. Basically I told them that if they weren't sure which way they were going to go to run all the cables back to the sound booth so that for today we could put in a simple HDMI splitter , but tomorrow we could feed the camera(s) in to a capture card on the computer along with an output from the sound board and take it from there. I tested OBS and I was able to use a feed from a webcam, a feed from a firewire (IEEE 1394) camera, an IP camera feed, and display the desktop. If they get a HDMI camera today and then upgrade to IP cameras tomorrow, they HDMI camera can be used to get another angle.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403 @Mike Davis
                                    last edited by DustinB3403

                                    @Mike-Davis so the current plan is to use OBS and any number of cameras to create a stream, and watch that stream in preview mode on the TVs?

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                                    • Mike DavisM
                                      Mike Davis @DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      @DustinB3403 They are weighing out the options. I suspect they will go with a single HDMI camera and splitter for today, but I don't know. If they go the computer route, they will still need the splitter to send the signal to the TVs, so nothing is wasted.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
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                                        @Mike-Davis said in analog video stream:

                                        When I laid out the options, they started to have second thoughts about being able to record, create streams, etc.

                                        I called it. That's why you generally avoid legacy deployments in any arena. Customers always commit verbally to hard limits that they will "never need to exceed" that makes the project seem easy. And the moment that it's too late, they want those features. In this day and age, it's so obvious that being able to record, stream online or whatever should "just be available" that often people will commit to not being able to do things assuming that they really are not committing to those things or that they are trivial to add, no matter what you tell them.

                                        Same thing with VoIP. People commit to the limits of legacy phones all the time and are shocked when all modern features are unavailable to them because they just assumed, as VoIP is everywhere, that they would magically get that stuff too.

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          Any update to this topic?

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said in analog video stream:

                                            Any update to this topic?

                                            This is for a church, they are likely discussing today before/after services.

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