Simple Basic eMail providers
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So major questions are....
- What is the GOAL here? The question was asked down in the weeds. Too many assumptions put into it.
- Why don't you want to install the email server? It's normally there and ready to go by default anyway.
- Why do you want to do this from "someone else's system"?
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
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@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Looking for a simple basic web based email provider, that isn't Google, O365, Yahoo (puke) etc.
Wait, now we are on web based? This is very different and requires a lot more "stuff."
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
No. . . there is no SMTP server to SMTP server communication involved. It's still mail. . .
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
No. . . there is no SMTP server to SMTP server communication involved. It's still mail. . .
No... let me rephrase what you just wrote...
It's not email, but it's still email.
That's obviously wrong. It's just a text file being edited. By your logic there, if you took nano and edited a file in my home directory and I read it with nano, nano would be our new email server.
Obviously that is wrong. Creating an alias for nano calling it "nano-mail" would not make it email either.
Email is a specific thing, you can't just call anything randomly email.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
No. . . there is no SMTP server to SMTP server communication involved. It's still mail. . .
No... let me rephrase what you just wrote...
It's not email, but it's still email.
That's obviously wrong. It's just a text file being edited. By your logic there, if you took nano and edited a file in my home directory and I read it with nano, nano would be our new email server.
Obviously that is wrong. Creating an alias for nano calling it "nano-mail" would not make it email either.
Email is a specific thing, you can't just call anything randomly email.
hahah . . .
Ok so lets look at this from a logging mechanism.
When you have a log generated, and it sends an alert to root, what do you call that notification?
Obviously SMTP wasn't used to send it (so I agree it's not email). But what would you call it?
Anyways, what @gjacobse needs is just a separate email provider (something plain-jane) that preferably isn't gmail, outlook, or yahoo.
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
No. . . there is no SMTP server to SMTP server communication involved. It's still mail. . .
No... let me rephrase what you just wrote...
It's not email, but it's still email.
That's obviously wrong. It's just a text file being edited. By your logic there, if you took nano and edited a file in my home directory and I read it with nano, nano would be our new email server.
Obviously that is wrong. Creating an alias for nano calling it "nano-mail" would not make it email either.
Email is a specific thing, you can't just call anything randomly email.
hahah . . .
Ok so lets look at this from a logging mechanism.
When you have a log generated, and it sends an alert to root, what do you call that notification?
A log entry. I don't call it email when talking about email. I also don't use that
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Obviously SMTP wasn't used to send it (so I agree it's not email). But what would you call it?
What do you call all other identical cases where something appends some text to the end of a text file?
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Obviously SMTP wasn't used to send it (so I agree it's not email). But what would you call it?
What do you call all other identical cases where something appends some text to the end of a text file?
Lets carry this thread over here.
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@DustinB3403 Done
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@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No - I know that much.
Looking for a simple basic web based email provider, that isn't Google, O365, Yahoo (puke) etc.
So you just want web mail? I think that everyone provides that these days. I'm not aware of anyone that does not.
