Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases
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@Dashrender said
Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Yeah, I would agree.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThey revolt over this.....
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?
Let me guess:
Log into NC
Local file
download file to local computer
open downloaded file in word
edit file
save document
close word
upload updated file to NC.Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThat's why we are adding Collabora.
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@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Collabora
This? https://www.collaboraoffice.com/solutions/collabora-cloudsuite/
Yes
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThey revolt over this.....
But this is the same as using local or network shares - so they revolt over using anything?
If you're going to say they don't do this, that instead they:
Open network/local location of file,
double click (launching app)
edit file
safe file
close programI don't really see this as much different, even though it is my personal preferred method, it's definitely not Scott's preferred method, and doesn't work in the LANLess concept.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThey revolt over this.....
But this is the same as using local or network shares - so they revolt over using anything?
If you're going to say they don't do this, that instead they:
Open network/local location of file,
double click (launching app)
edit file
safe file
close programI don't really see this as much different, even though it is my personal preferred method, it's definitely not Scott's preferred method, and doesn't work in the LANLess concept.
It is horribly different. Their files are not there!!!!!!!!!11111
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Why aren't their files there?
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
In that case the files remain in the cloud and there is no local component. On local network shares, the files are on your LAN.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
@art_of_shred already answered, but the file lives and dies on the cloud storage provider.
So with redirecting the users documents from %userprofile%\Documents > %userprofile%\owncloud\Documents in @JaredBusch example, everything is always saved to the cloud storage.
It's never on the local hard drive.
It's actually a clever use of the storage.
My question to @JaredBusch is how do you manage the storage space they are consuming there, or don't you bother? I can imagine a few users who'd want to use 50GB worth of space just keeping things around forever.
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@DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
It's never on the local hard drive.
It most certainly is on the local storage. that is a sync client.
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@art_of_shred said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
In that case the files remain in the cloud and there is no local component. On local network shares, the files are on your LAN.
So what? The application sees ODfB just like it sees a network share, only slower access.
@BRRABill said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.
exactly my point.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?
Let me guess:
Log into NC
Local file
download file to local computer
open downloaded file in word
edit file
save document
close word
upload updated file to NC.Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThat's why we are adding Collabora.
Did you get the docker image working?
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
It's never on the local hard drive.
It most certainly is on the local storage. that is a sync client.
Sorry, you know what I meant though. It doesn't live there any longer than it needs to sync. It's not like it stays there forever.
With the sync it backs up the content of the folder every so often.
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@BRRABill said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.
It is a huge difference. The users have to open the application and then browse from there. It requires Excel/Word. It is just a horrible solution to make users change to.
It is a great technical solution. But users != technical.
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@DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
@art_of_shred already answered, but the file lives and dies on the cloud storage provider.
So with redirecting the users documents from %userprofile%\Documents > %userprofile%\owncloud\Documents in @JaredBusch example, everything is always saved to the cloud storage.
It's never on the local hard drive.
Uh yeah it is - as JB already pointed out, it's typically synced.
Now there is an exception, if you use WebDAV to map a network drive, then it's not local.
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
It's never on the local hard drive.
It most certainly is on the local storage. that is a sync client.
LOL we're on the same page
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@BRRABill said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.
It is a huge difference. The users have to open the application and then browse from there. It requires Excel/Word. It is just a horrible solution to make users change to.
It is a great technical solution. But users != technical.
I can't give you this one. I posted a few months ago about how my boss searches for her documents through the application and couldn't find her file because she was in Word and unknowingly was looking for an Excel file.
I get what you are saying, You and I, and a lot of other people look for files through Windows Explorer, then double click the file which launches the appropriate application.
The other approach is equally valid, open app first, but does REQUIRE that the user knows the app needed for the file in question.Apple is already doing this to people - just look at the iPhone/iPad. you can't typically surf through the files on the device, instead you have to open the application, and from there you go find your file in question.
The use of SharePoint/ODfB with online (or even local) apps does allow for the Windows Explorer type of file finding/editing, I would hope NC and Collabora would do the same - but maybe not.
In any case, training users that they no longer get to see the files, and instead they just live inside apps. Change is part of life, we all hate it, but it necessary. In the grand scheme of things, this is pretty simple one.
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@DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
It's never on the local hard drive.
It most certainly is on the local storage. that is a sync client.
Sorry, you know what I meant though. It doesn't live there any longer than it needs to sync. It's not like it stays there forever.
With the sync it backs up the content of the folder every so often.
Do you know something I don't? Are you saying the oC and NC sync clients don't actually keep any files local once there is a copy on the oC/NC server? I know that's not true at least in part because JB is using the sync client to put 100's of PDFs on technician's PCs that are normally out in the field and offline. Those files are synced.
As far as I know it works exactly like OneDrive and ODfB. The local copy always stays local until you delete it, or a sync from another location deletes it.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
The local copy always stays local until you delete it, or a sync from another location deletes it.
Right. If you delete the local copy, it gets deleted from the NC server as well. So the next time the other clients sync up, it will get removed from them as well.
