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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @wrx7m
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      @wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

      For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.

      We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.

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      • dafyreD
        dafyre @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

        Mostly web interface only

        This is most likely the heart of the Lanless concept isn't it? Making things available via an API or Web Interface for primary means of access?

        And use Sync clients only where it makes sense?

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        • syko24S
          syko24 @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

          @wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

          For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.

          We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.

          From a security point of view, do you guys leave this open to the internet over https? Or do you keep the firewalls closed and use something like ZeroTier on everything?

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @syko24
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            @syko24 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

            @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

            @wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

            For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.

            We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.

            From a security point of view, do you guys leave this open to the internet over https? Or do you keep the firewalls closed and use something like ZeroTier on everything?

            I leave it on https with fail2ban

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

              @wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

              For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.

              We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.

              Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?

              Let me guess:
              Log into NC
              Local file
              download file to local computer
              open downloaded file in word
              edit file
              save document
              close word
              upload updated file to NC.

              Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!

              Using OneDrive the flow is:
              Open word
              find file in OD
              Edit file
              save to OD
              close word

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              • syko24S
                syko24 @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?

                Let me guess:
                Log into NC
                Local file
                download file to local computer
                open downloaded file in word
                edit file
                save document
                close word
                upload updated file to NC.

                Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!

                Using OneDrive the flow is:
                Open word
                find file in OD
                Edit file
                save to OD
                close word

                LibreOffice Online???

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                • BRRABillB
                  BRRABill @Dashrender
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                  @Dashrender said

                  Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!

                  Yeah, I would agree.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                    Using OneDrive the flow is:
                    Open word
                    find file in OD
                    Edit file
                    save to OD
                    close word

                    They revolt over this.....

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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                      @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                      @wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                      For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.

                      We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.

                      Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?

                      Let me guess:
                      Log into NC
                      Local file
                      download file to local computer
                      open downloaded file in word
                      edit file
                      save document
                      close word
                      upload updated file to NC.

                      Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!

                      Using OneDrive the flow is:
                      Open word
                      find file in OD
                      Edit file
                      save to OD
                      close word

                      That's why we are adding Collabora.

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                      • wrx7mW
                        wrx7m @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                        Collabora

                        This? https://www.collaboraoffice.com/solutions/collabora-cloudsuite/

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @wrx7m
                          last edited by

                          @wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                          Collabora

                          This? https://www.collaboraoffice.com/solutions/collabora-cloudsuite/

                          Yes

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @JaredBusch
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                            @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                            @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                            Using OneDrive the flow is:
                            Open word
                            find file in OD
                            Edit file
                            save to OD
                            close word

                            They revolt over this.....

                            But this is the same as using local or network shares - so they revolt over using anything?

                            If you're going to say they don't do this, that instead they:

                            Open network/local location of file,
                            double click (launching app)
                            edit file
                            safe file
                            close program

                            I don't really see this as much different, even though it is my personal preferred method, it's definitely not Scott's preferred method, and doesn't work in the LANLess concept.

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                            • JaredBuschJ
                              JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                              @JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                              @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                              Using OneDrive the flow is:
                              Open word
                              find file in OD
                              Edit file
                              save to OD
                              close word

                              They revolt over this.....

                              But this is the same as using local or network shares - so they revolt over using anything?

                              If you're going to say they don't do this, that instead they:

                              Open network/local location of file,
                              double click (launching app)
                              edit file
                              safe file
                              close program

                              I don't really see this as much different, even though it is my personal preferred method, it's definitely not Scott's preferred method, and doesn't work in the LANLess concept.

                              It is horribly different. Their files are not there!!!!!!!!!11111

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender
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                                Why aren't their files there?

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                                • art_of_shredA
                                  art_of_shred @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                  Why aren't their files there?

                                  In that case the files remain in the cloud and there is no local component. On local network shares, the files are on your LAN.

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                                  • BRRABillB
                                    BRRABill @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                    Why aren't their files there?

                                    Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                      Why aren't their files there?

                                      @art_of_shred already answered, but the file lives and dies on the cloud storage provider.

                                      So with redirecting the users documents from %userprofile%\Documents > %userprofile%\owncloud\Documents in @JaredBusch example, everything is always saved to the cloud storage.

                                      It's never on the local hard drive.

                                      It's actually a clever use of the storage.

                                      My question to @JaredBusch is how do you manage the storage space they are consuming there, or don't you bother? I can imagine a few users who'd want to use 50GB worth of space just keeping things around forever.

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @DustinB3403
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                                        @DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                        It's never on the local hard drive.

                                        It most certainly is on the local storage. that is a sync client.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @art_of_shred
                                          last edited by

                                          @art_of_shred said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                          @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                          Why aren't their files there?

                                          In that case the files remain in the cloud and there is no local component. On local network shares, the files are on your LAN.

                                          So what? The application sees ODfB just like it sees a network share, only slower access.

                                          @BRRABill said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                          @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                          Why aren't their files there?

                                          Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.

                                          exactly my point.

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                                          • travisdh1T
                                            travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                            @Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                            @wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:

                                            For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.

                                            We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.

                                            Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?

                                            Let me guess:
                                            Log into NC
                                            Local file
                                            download file to local computer
                                            open downloaded file in word
                                            edit file
                                            save document
                                            close word
                                            upload updated file to NC.

                                            Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!

                                            Using OneDrive the flow is:
                                            Open word
                                            find file in OD
                                            Edit file
                                            save to OD
                                            close word

                                            That's why we are adding Collabora.

                                            Did you get the docker image working?

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