Struggling to Understand Kernel and OS Separation
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@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Please show me my response to that and let's get back to the REAL subject you;re avoiding the Linux Kernel
That's been covered thoroughly. We are waiting for you to figure out what you got wrong, contact the sources you have (that don't exist) and send us their responses. The ball is in your court. As I said, asking us to do anything further to contact your sources and correct them (or to show that they agreed) is the same as admitting you made it up.
Awesome you have no balls, sorry about that, THE LINUX KERNEL MY MAN WHAT ABOUT THAT DUDE?
He already asked you how you use the Kernel. But you never answered.
Ignorant question, I said to tell at LEAST Linux.com they are stupid for saying it's an OS BUT YOU FAILED TO DO SO = NO BALLS
This is the standard pattern. A simple question, you say you'll prove something, we say "okay, prove it", then... gibberish answer as to why you suddenly don't know what a kernel is. As expected.
Your quote not mine
So you screenshotted something that I said, that you said was wrong, to show that YOU know the answer? I know what a kernel is. You said that Linux is an OS, not the kernel. So since Linux is not the kernel, what kernel are YOU talking about? I know which one I am talking about.
I'm not talking about a Kernel Both Windows and Linux are written Kernels, but IS NOT A KERNEL it is and OS Unix is a Kernel with NO UI or GUI you ignorant f[moderated]
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Please show me my response to that and let's get back to the REAL subject you;re avoiding the Linux Kernel
That's been covered thoroughly. We are waiting for you to figure out what you got wrong, contact the sources you have (that don't exist) and send us their responses. The ball is in your court. As I said, asking us to do anything further to contact your sources and correct them (or to show that they agreed) is the same as admitting you made it up.
Awesome you have no balls, sorry about that, THE LINUX KERNEL MY MAN WHAT ABOUT THAT DUDE?
He already asked you how you use the Kernel. But you never answered.
Ignorant question, I said to tell at LEAST Linux.com they are stupid for saying it's an OS BUT YOU FAILED TO DO SO = NO BALLS
This is the standard pattern. A simple question, you say you'll prove something, we say "okay, prove it", then... gibberish answer as to why you suddenly don't know what a kernel is. As expected.
Your quote not mineSo you screenshotted something that I said, that you said was wrong, to show that YOU know the answer? I know what a kernel is. You said that Linux is an OS, not the kernel. So since Linux is not the kernel, what kernel are YOU talking about? I know which one I am talking about.
I'm not talking about a Kernel Both Windows and Linux are written Kernels, but IS NOT A KERNEL it is and OS Unix is a Kernel with NO UI or GUI you ignorant f[moderated]
A. This sentence does not make sense.
B. Stop being rude.
C. Please learn how stuff works. -
@stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Please show me my response to that and let's get back to the REAL subject you;re avoiding the Linux Kernel
That's been covered thoroughly. We are waiting for you to figure out what you got wrong, contact the sources you have (that don't exist) and send us their responses. The ball is in your court. As I said, asking us to do anything further to contact your sources and correct them (or to show that they agreed) is the same as admitting you made it up.
Awesome you have no balls, sorry about that, THE LINUX KERNEL MY MAN WHAT ABOUT THAT DUDE?
He already asked you how you use the Kernel. But you never answered.
Ignorant question, I said to tell at LEAST Linux.com they are stupid for saying it's an OS BUT YOU FAILED TO DO SO = NO BALLS
This is the standard pattern. A simple question, you say you'll prove something, we say "okay, prove it", then... gibberish answer as to why you suddenly don't know what a kernel is. As expected.
Your quote not mineSo you screenshotted something that I said, that you said was wrong, to show that YOU know the answer? I know what a kernel is. You said that Linux is an OS, not the kernel. So since Linux is not the kernel, what kernel are YOU talking about? I know which one I am talking about.
I'm not talking about a Kernel Both Windows and Linux are written Kernels, but IS NOT A KERNEL it is and OS Unix is a Kernel with NO UI or GUI you ignorant f[moderated]
A. This sentence does not make sense.
B. Stop being rude.
C. Please learn how stuff works.Does Unix automatically expand disc space like Windows?
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Please show me my response to that and let's get back to the REAL subject you;re avoiding the Linux Kernel
That's been covered thoroughly. We are waiting for you to figure out what you got wrong, contact the sources you have (that don't exist) and send us their responses. The ball is in your court. As I said, asking us to do anything further to contact your sources and correct them (or to show that they agreed) is the same as admitting you made it up.
Awesome you have no balls, sorry about that, THE LINUX KERNEL MY MAN WHAT ABOUT THAT DUDE?
He already asked you how you use the Kernel. But you never answered.
Ignorant question, I said to tell at LEAST Linux.com they are stupid for saying it's an OS BUT YOU FAILED TO DO SO = NO BALLS
This is the standard pattern. A simple question, you say you'll prove something, we say "okay, prove it", then... gibberish answer as to why you suddenly don't know what a kernel is. As expected.
Your quote not mineSo you screenshotted something that I said, that you said was wrong, to show that YOU know the answer? I know what a kernel is. You said that Linux is an OS, not the kernel. So since Linux is not the kernel, what kernel are YOU talking about? I know which one I am talking about.
I'm not talking about a Kernel Both Windows and Linux are written Kernels, but IS NOT A KERNEL it is and OS Unix is a Kernel with NO UI or GUI you ignorant f[moderated]
A. This sentence does not make sense.
B. Stop being rude.
C. Please learn how stuff works.Does Unix automatically expand disc space like Windows?
I'm going to assume you're talking about thin provisioning. Yes, you can thin provision logical volumes.
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
I'm not talking about a Kernel Both Windows and Linux are written Kernels,
You said a kernel. And what is a "written kernel." So if you didn't mean a kernel, what did you mean when you said you would show me up on using the kernel?
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
but IS NOT A KERNEL it is and OS Unix is a Kernel with NO UI or GUI you ignorant f[moderated]
Now now, you seem a little upset. I'm just repeating what you said.
I'm writing this to you from a Linux system with a GUI. Which part is wrong. Is it not Linux? Is it not a GUI? Do you need a screenshot? The community is full of Linux GUI screenshots. UI, GUI... all write here that I am typing on.
AGAIN..... totally non-plausible lies.
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@stacksofplates
@scottalanmiller
It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.End of discussion.
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates
@scottalanmiller
It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.End of discussion.
Please make sure they CC us on the response. I'm waiting with bated breath.
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates
@scottalanmiller
It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.End of discussion.
You could always do it now, just program the email. Then use the GUI on the Kernel to hit the send button.
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates
@scottalanmiller
It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.End of discussion.
It seems? That seems odd. How was it not totally clear. You go do that. Send them the link to this thread, we want them to participate. It would be best if the discussion was totally in public. If they feel that Linux is the OS, rather than the kernel, they should be happy to post here and explain why.
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@stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates
@scottalanmiller
It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.End of discussion.
You could always do it now, just program the email. Then use the GUI on the Kernel to hit the send button.
Yeah, email works around the clock... unless you were planning on sending this from your BBS system and your time slot hasn't come up yet.
I'm waiting on the email address for Offix right now, I'll email them right this second if you provide it. You asked me to reach out to them, but I dont want to call them now and just leave a message. But I'll email straight away,
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@scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
@stacksofplates
@scottalanmiller
It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.End of discussion.
You could always do it now, just program the email. Then use the GUI on the Kernel to hit the send button.
Yeah, email works around the clock... unless you were planning on sending this from your BBS system and your time slot hasn't come up yet.
I'm waiting on the email address for Offix right now, I'll email them right this second if you provide it. You asked me to reach out to them, but I dont want to call them now and just leave a message. But I'll email straight away,
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@stacksofplates thanks! I'm on it. Want to email him too?
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@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Now email them and ell them that Linux is a Kernel, if not I'll bring this thread to their attention to correct you. I mean windows has a Kernel too right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_kernelLinux is a Kernel like Windows with a UI or GUI
Unix is much different except Apple OSX is written over top of a Unix Kernel. C'mon man WTF is wrong with you
OS X is based on NextStep, which is based on BSD which is based on UNIX. Similar to Linux, there are different flavors like FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD.
Here's some simplified chart to show you the relations between and origins of Linux, BSD and OS X:
(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_timeline.en.svg) -
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Yes Printers are Programmable, I mean how do you think they do what the y do now, F)(&*ing Magic
Don't want to divert the thread, but I'm curious: What exactly are you developing? New PCL interpreters? Embedded networking stacks? Printer management software, e.g. job scheduling, accounting and similar things? Form management?
I'm just asking because I am myself a developer with a little embedded background here and there.
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@thwr said in What is a Linux Distro:
@cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:
Yes Printers are Programmable, I mean how do you think they do what the y do now, F)(&*ing Magic
Don't want to divert the thread, but I'm curious: What exactly are you developing? New PCL interpreters? Embedded networking stacks? Printer management software, e.g. job scheduling, accounting and similar things? Form management?
I'm just asking because I am myself a developer with a little embedded background here and there.
Nevermind, there is a dedicated thread for this: https://mangolassi.it/topic/10680/programming-printers
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@cnewman we reached out to your reference but, unfortunately, he was unable to speak for you as you had hoped and only wanted to clarify that you were his customer, not someone who worked for him.
But you can see that now that we are not BBS dependent, email works around the clock. We no longer have to wait until Monday to send a message and often times people will even respond before working hours. Given the modern, multicultural world, what is the weekend to some is working days to others. So waiting for your own working hours to attempt messaging really is not as sensible as would have been in the phone-only or intra-office mail days of the 1960s. And email is now essentially always instant as email systems as "always on" today, rather than connecting only from time to time like with your telnet-connection BBS examples that you show.
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Maybe @cnewman you meant to give us the email address of your actual employer but got confused as to which was which? If you'd like to try again, we'll contact another company for you and see if they are willing to vouch for you? What's reference number two going to be?
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@cnewman said in Struggling to Understand Kernel and OS Separation:
Does Unix automatically expand disc space like Windows?
Unix is not an OS. So blue run as fast as Usain Bolt? See, it's nonsensical. That's why we have these explanations about kernel vs. OS, API vs. kernel, etc. And this is why semantics and accuracy always matter in IT.
If you just use words that you have heard and don't know what they are or what they represent, you end up asking questions that have no meaning.
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Do not forget that the linux.com link he provided actually says exactly what we have been saying. I quoted it earlier.
