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    Struggling to Understand Kernel and OS Separation

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      stacksofplates @cnewman
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      @cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:

      @stacksofplates
      @scottalanmiller
      It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.

      End of discussion.

      You could always do it now, just program the email. Then use the GUI on the Kernel to hit the send button.

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        scottalanmiller @cnewman
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        @cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:

        @stacksofplates
        @scottalanmiller
        It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.

        End of discussion.

        It seems? That seems odd. How was it not totally clear. You go do that. Send them the link to this thread, we want them to participate. It would be best if the discussion was totally in public. If they feel that Linux is the OS, rather than the kernel, they should be happy to post here and explain why.

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          scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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          @stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:

          @cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:

          @stacksofplates
          @scottalanmiller
          It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.

          End of discussion.

          You could always do it now, just program the email. Then use the GUI on the Kernel to hit the send button.

          Yeah, email works around the clock... unless you were planning on sending this from your BBS system and your time slot hasn't come up yet.

          I'm waiting on the email address for Offix right now, I'll email them right this second if you provide it. You asked me to reach out to them, but I dont want to call them now and just leave a message. But I'll email straight away,

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            stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in What is a Linux Distro:

            @stacksofplates said in What is a Linux Distro:

            @cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:

            @stacksofplates
            @scottalanmiller
            It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.

            End of discussion.

            You could always do it now, just program the email. Then use the GUI on the Kernel to hit the send button.

            Yeah, email works around the clock... unless you were planning on sending this from your BBS system and your time slot hasn't come up yet.

            I'm waiting on the email address for Offix right now, I'll email them right this second if you provide it. You asked me to reach out to them, but I dont want to call them now and just leave a message. But I'll email straight away,

            svalenta@offix.com

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              scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
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              @stacksofplates thanks! I'm on it. Want to email him too? 😉

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                thwr @cnewman
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                @cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:

                Now email them and ell them that Linux is a Kernel, if not I'll bring this thread to their attention to correct you. I mean windows has a Kernel too right?
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_kernel

                Linux is a Kernel like Windows with a UI or GUI

                Unix is much different except Apple OSX is written over top of a Unix Kernel. C'mon man WTF is wrong with you

                OS X is based on NextStep, which is based on BSD which is based on UNIX. Similar to Linux, there are different flavors like FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD.

                Here's some simplified chart to show you the relations between and origins of Linux, BSD and OS X:
                 A picture showing the relations between several Unix systems.
                (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_timeline.en.svg)

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                  thwr @cnewman
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                  @cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:

                  Yes Printers are Programmable, I mean how do you think they do what the y do now, F)(&*ing Magic

                  Don't want to divert the thread, but I'm curious: What exactly are you developing? New PCL interpreters? Embedded networking stacks? Printer management software, e.g. job scheduling, accounting and similar things? Form management?

                  I'm just asking because I am myself a developer with a little embedded background here and there.

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                    thwr @thwr
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                    @thwr said in What is a Linux Distro:

                    @cnewman said in What is a Linux Distro:

                    Yes Printers are Programmable, I mean how do you think they do what the y do now, F)(&*ing Magic

                    Don't want to divert the thread, but I'm curious: What exactly are you developing? New PCL interpreters? Embedded networking stacks? Printer management software, e.g. job scheduling, accounting and similar things? Form management?

                    I'm just asking because I am myself a developer with a little embedded background here and there.

                    Nevermind, there is a dedicated thread for this: https://mangolassi.it/topic/10680/programming-printers

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                      scottalanmiller
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                      @cnewman we reached out to your reference but, unfortunately, he was unable to speak for you as you had hoped and only wanted to clarify that you were his customer, not someone who worked for him.

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                      But you can see that now that we are not BBS dependent, email works around the clock. We no longer have to wait until Monday to send a message and often times people will even respond before working hours. Given the modern, multicultural world, what is the weekend to some is working days to others. So waiting for your own working hours to attempt messaging really is not as sensible as would have been in the phone-only or intra-office mail days of the 1960s. And email is now essentially always instant as email systems as "always on" today, rather than connecting only from time to time like with your telnet-connection BBS examples that you show.

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                        scottalanmiller
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                        Maybe @cnewman you meant to give us the email address of your actual employer but got confused as to which was which? If you'd like to try again, we'll contact another company for you and see if they are willing to vouch for you? What's reference number two going to be?

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                          scottalanmiller @cnewman
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                          @cnewman said in Struggling to Understand Kernel and OS Separation:

                          Does Unix automatically expand disc space like Windows?

                          Unix is not an OS. So blue run as fast as Usain Bolt? See, it's nonsensical. That's why we have these explanations about kernel vs. OS, API vs. kernel, etc. And this is why semantics and accuracy always matter in IT.

                          If you just use words that you have heard and don't know what they are or what they represent, you end up asking questions that have no meaning.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch
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                            Do not forget that the linux.com link he provided actually says exactly what we have been saying. I quoted it earlier.

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                              JaredBusch
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                              And he brought it to SW. Thanks @RojoLoco for linking tp the thread.

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                                Minion Queen @cnewman
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                                @cnewman said in Struggling to Understand Kernel and OS Separation:

                                SAM you have so many like but you're so stupid at times.. WTF is wrong with you, are rewriting history?

                                https://mangolassi.it/topic/60/our-community-guidelines

                                No personally attacking any user.

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                                  RojoLoco @cnewman
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                                  @cnewman said in Struggling to Understand Kernel and OS Separation:

                                  @stacksofplates
                                  @scottalanmiller
                                  It seems I'll have to email these sites to confirm Linux is NOT an Operating and is ONLY a Kernel as a system as Scott Stated, I'll do so on Monday.

                                  End of discussion.

                                  I'm not sure @cnewman AKA Curtis3363 is even qualified to work with this kernel...

                                  0_1473699076677_kernel_side_view_3.jpg

                                  ...and btw, it's Monday, so please post the responses you received that would certainly poke massive holes in your daft notions of how things work.

                                  ....printer programming??? Seriously, go back to the looney bin you escaped from, you need those meds they were giving you.

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                                    scottalanmiller
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                                    Oh yes, it is Monday. He promised to email Linspire and let us know that they were not an OS.

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                                      IRJ
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                                      That was enjoyable, but I feel a bit dumber now after reading all that.

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                                        RamblingBiped @cnewman
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                                        All that needs to be done to prove that Linux is an Operating System is to provide us a screenshot as an example of the OS installed and running.

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                                          scottalanmiller @RamblingBiped
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                                          @RamblingBiped said in Struggling to Understand Kernel and OS Separation:

                                          All that needs to be done to prove that Linux is an Operating System is to provide us a screenshot as an example of the OS installed and running.

                                          We've been waiting on this.

                                          And those letters from the companies that he accuses of not making OSes and not having GUIs, too.

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                                            scottalanmiller
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                                            I'm wondering how @cnewman is getting a conversation with Linspire considering they disappeared a full eight years ago...

                                            https://www.linux.com/news/linspire-going-away

                                            ANd even Freespire, the OS that replaced Linspire, is long gone with its domain pointing to:

                                            http://treatment.dentalimplantslifeline.com/

                                            And even Xandros, the company that bought Linspire, eight years ago before shutting it down, has been gone long enough to no longer have a website.

                                            Inquiring minds want to know!

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