• CloudAtCost Turning to Extortion

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    @scottalanmiller That was our local ISP here to a T; Literally 1 T1 and a 3Com Total Control so they could offer 56K speeds

  • CloudatCost has released over 400 Applications

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    @MisterZee said in CloudatCost has released over 400 Applications:

    I am starting a cloud search... 😞 Does anyone maintain a list of cloud providers? As a non-profit I can get a pretty good deal at Amazon. $175 gets me $2k of AWS. That is overkill for what I need now.

    This would be perfect for it's own thread. But here is the list that we normally talk about:

    Amazon AWS Azure Google Cloud Softlayer Rackspace Digital Ocean Vultr Linode

    The top four are essentially non-applicable for the SMB space, they are full clouds with full cloud mentality that expect a full DevOps team to manage them. Rackspace has support issues and costs way too much, so while they are okay and we used to use them, we wouldn't touch them today.

    DO,Vultr and Linode have become our three "go to" cloud providers. They all do different things, are great to work with, focus on the VPS functionality needed in the SMB, are similar in price and make sense for the vast majority of the market. We are posting this on the ML servers hosted at Linode as we speak 🙂

  • CloudAtCost: Server Deployment

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    CloudAtCost has completely revoked their "free for life" products that people have already paid for in full and is now simply charging for them - even ones that customers already own. Customers are now being extorted to pay annually for something they were sold specifically so that they would not have to pay for in this way. The service is no longer a scam on the technical level, it is now a full scam on the billing and marketing level as well.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/14009/cloudatcost-turning-to-extortion

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    CloudAtCost has completely revoked their "free for life" products that people have already paid for in full and is now simply charging for them - even ones that customers already own. Customers are now being extorted to pay annually for something they were sold specifically so that they would not have to pay for in this way. The service is no longer a scam on the technical level, it is now a full scam on the billing and marketing level as well.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/14009/cloudatcost-turning-to-extortion

  • CloudatCost end of Life

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    CloudAtCost has completely revoked their "free for life" products that people have already paid for in full and is now simply charging for them - even ones that customers already own. Customers are now being extorted to pay annually for something they were sold specifically so that they would not have to pay for in this way. The service is no longer a scam on the technical level, it is now a full scam on the billing and marketing level as well.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/14009/cloudatcost-turning-to-extortion

  • Cloud at Cost: Free IPv4 for life

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    CloudAtCost has completely revoked their "free for life" products that people have already paid for in full and is now simply charging for them - even ones that customers already own. Customers are now being extorted to pay annually for something they were sold specifically so that they would not have to pay for in this way. The service is no longer a scam on the technical level, it is now a full scam on the billing and marketing level as well.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/14009/cloudatcost-turning-to-extortion

  • CloudatCost June Outage

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    @IRJ said:

    @thecreativeone91 said:

    @IRJ said:

    I am surprised they are still online at all.

    Why? I mean they are redundant after all lol...

    The only thing that is redundant is their outages

    And their excuses. And their talk... their.... double talk? Tee hee.

  • Replacement for CloudatCost

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    Due to the possible issues with legalities of this thread I am locking it down.

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    @MattSpeller said:

    How does that compare to other systems for those of us unfamiliar with that bench?

    There are ServerBear results for the old Dev1, Dev3 and BigDog products, I think. All of which are, of course, gone now. It does appear, at first glance, to be generally better than the old Dev1. But it has higher specs too.

  • CloudatCost VMs Useless

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    @scottalanmiller ewww. Yuck.

  • Pwn9 Drops CloudatCost

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    @thecreativeone91 said:

    @AmanBhogal said:

    @thecreativeone91

    Cloudatcost is still growing. unfortunately we have been having quite a few growing pains recently. We are learning from these outages and making sure we implement the solutions needed to keep growing.

    That's obliviously not true. Unless you mean your company bank account is growing more into the red by the hour.

    Growing in absolute terms.

    if abs(x.now) > abs(x.then)

  • CloudatCon aka CloudatCost

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    @scottalanmiller I like to live on the edge 😂

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    But they upgraded to more SSD storage over the weekend lol.

  • CloudatCost CloudPro Password Issue

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    @scottalanmiller said:

    @thecreativeone91 said:

    If this was a "pro" upgrade you'd think they'd disabled passwords and generate ssh keys for you.

    But it is the "Pro" downgrade. You'd think they'd just lock the VMs so that you could never get it. Saving you time from trying.

    It's just delaying lawsuits from those who think their may still be some hope in their con.

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    @Breffni-Potter said:

    What do you do when that recommendation was a disaster? Do you reach out and say "Well, that was a bad call, sorry I recommended that to you"

    That one is very tough. But, I think, one of the most important jobs of IT professionals is to have used and evaluated a wide array of products (not for helpdesk people, but at a certain level and job type) and understand much of their technical strengths, quality differences, support value and the integrity of the companies that stand behind them (or the communities that do, as the case may be.) Our job is to determine what is the best chance of success for someone, what is cost effective, what is likely to work out the best. Companies change, products change, some things cannot be foreseen.

    Sometimes it is on us for actually making bad recommendations. That's a given. I see completely insane and reckless recommendations given regularly. Recommendations that I think should fall into a "fire them and consider pressing charges" category - like overspending by six figures without any technical or business reason for the spend, just because the recommender thinks that a product sounds cool, they like the brand or, often, they are getting some cool toy in exchange for selling the company down the river. This really happens, and industry wide it happens very often, this is true in any industry: the average person giving recommendations is not well prepared or capable to be doing so.

    But assuming we are competent and honestly attempting to give good recommendations, hopefully good customers or businesses understand that we are not just being asked for a very complex recommendation in the moment (knowing all relevant products or approaches on the market) but also gauging both those products' futures as well as the business' future. Being asked to predict the future comes with risk, always. Even the best possible recommender, with the best possible intentions, with the most unlimited research budget and time can't get things right every time because that's not how predictions work.

    When we make an honest mistake and recommend something completely wrong, yes, I think it is good if we own up to that and/or somehow fix the situation. But should we apologize for the times when we did the research, tried hard, used the available information and simply could not predict the future? Probably not, it sets an expectation that we are responsible for things we cannot be responsible for.

    In many cases, one of the worst things about being in IT is that other people push impossible demands upon us as if it is acceptable. In what other job is nearly every single person in the field expected to be a fortuneteller, even without them claiming to be, and often held accountable for having failed to predict the future accurately?

  • CloudatCost Claims of Production

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    I giggled a little because this thread reminds me of:

    Catchphrases You Forgot Monty Python Invented.jpg

    Well, actually the whole scene

  • CloudatCost Outage Bigger Than Before

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    @Danp said:

    They've been advertising the CloudPro option for a while now, so I suspect it was functional at some point.

    They've been SELLING CloudatCost for a long time and just this morning announced that it was never production ready. So that something has been advertised by them does not suggest that they were planning on it working.

  • CloudatCost Lifetime Service Over

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    CloudAtCost has completely revoked their "free for life" products that people have already paid for in full and is now simply charging for them - even ones that customers already own. Customers are now being extorted to pay annually for something they were sold specifically so that they would not have to pay for in this way. The service is no longer a scam on the technical level, it is now a full scam on the billing and marketing level as well.

    https://mangolassi.it/topic/14009/cloudatcost-turning-to-extortion

  • CloudPro

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    @AmanBhogal said:

    Hey everybody,

    There is currently a big backlog for building servers, This is directly related to providing the Cloud Pro product for free as a response to our service outage. The backlog is expected to be caught up in 3 hours.

    "free" to CloudatCost means "giving you something that you paid for, but not exactly making you pay again, but not giving it to you either."

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    @thecreativeone91 said:

    Why the heck are they using Quad CPUs instead of just 2x CPUs with High Core count. I think the core count on the CPUs they were using ways pretty low (quad core I think). Seems like that's being cheap. 8 & 12 Core CPUs are pretty efficient and cost effective these days (for what it is, 12 cores are about $1,000).

    Eight cores according to their Facebook post. But still on the low side. The R810 doesn't have good efficiency with quad sockets, it's not architecturally meant for that. So the power per CPU is lower than you would expect. You need the bigger R9xx to get the real efficiency. They'd definitely do far better with beefier dual socket systems.