Laptop Reccomendations
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@Breffni-Potter said:
For the non programmer. What is a development environment?
Everything needed to do programming. In some cases, that's just notepad. But in this case, I need a full environment including running web servers, load balancers, several databases, copies of live data, tons of applications, etc. It uses a ton of memory and CPU power.
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Again, not a programmer but...
What's wrong with using those resources remotely so that the laptop becomes just an interface to do the work? A more reliable desktop/server with far better performance so that programming goes quicker surely is the way to go?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Nearly always I would prefer an MBA and I'm going to push for one at my next refresh. I need the big screen, though, so that is an issue. Trying to figure out how to deal with that when mobile.
This is what I figured. But if you need a mobile workstation, plugging in shouldn't really be a problem for you, at most a minor inconvenience. Though I can see the argument about not wanting to have to own/carry two devices around for difference uses. We just aren't there yet.... Unless you are saying your $900 HP is there and gives you everything you want, power and long battery life.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Again, not a programmer but...
What's wrong with using those resources remotely so that the laptop becomes just an interface to do the work? A more reliable desktop/server with far better performance so that programming goes quicker surely is the way to go?
That's how I would design it. For reasons, we don't handle it that way.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@s.hackleman said:
Let me get this helmet on, and a fire suit... Ok..
I have been really happy with my Macbook Pro...
Go ahead, let me have it.
I have one. Don't like it. Here are some of my concerns...
- It is slow. REALLY slow. Slower than several year old, 20% the cost HP laptops that I have.
- It's heavy. Way too heavy for a lot of travel.
- It's fragile. Bump anything and it dents. You have to seriously baby this thing.
- It overheats way too easily.
- The magnetic power cord can't hold itself in and if you don't set it up to be held in, it's own weight practically unplugs it.
- For an large laptop it lacks a lot of plugs that you would find handy to have.
- Crashes more than any other OS I've used since and including Windows XP. It seems to be equivalent to Windows 2000 in that regards.
- Battery life is really poor.
- Price
I can honestly say other than price, I haven't had any of those issues, and I have switched teams. I get at least 4-5 hours battery life. I have a Windows 7 Ult. VM with 2 processors, and a Ubuntu 14 VM with 1 running full time, and I haven't had to wait on processor or disc on my end once. Other than large software builds. More plugs would be nice, but it hasn't been a issue yet. I would suggest a Mac running VM fusion as a great development system. Sorry to hear you have been so unhappy with yours.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Nearly always I would prefer an MBA and I'm going to push for one at my next refresh. I need the big screen, though, so that is an issue. Trying to figure out how to deal with that when mobile.
This is what I figured. But if you need a mobile workstation, plugging in shouldn't really be a problem for you, at most a minor inconvenience. Though I can see the argument about not wanting to have to own/carry two devices around for difference uses. We just aren't there yet.... Unless you are saying your $900 HP is there and gives you everything you want, power and long battery life.
Yup, the HP covered what I needed but isn't what we use where I work now. The only thing it lacked (and it is three years old) was enough memory capacity.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Again, not a programmer but...
What's wrong with using those resources remotely so that the laptop becomes just an interface to do the work? A more reliable desktop/server with far better performance so that programming goes quicker surely is the way to go?
That's how I would design it. For reasons, we don't handle it that way.
- 13 hour plane flights.
- No access to the internet for other reasons
- the remote site has no internet access
- no/less lag when typing quickly.
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@s.hackleman said:
I can honestly say other than price, I haven't had any of those issues, and I have switched teams. I get at least 4-5 hours battery life. I have a Windows 7 Ult. VM with 2 processors, and a Ubuntu 14 VM with 1 running full time, and I haven't had to wait on processor or disc on my end once. Other than large software builds. More plugs would be nice, but it hasn't been a issue yet. I would suggest a Mac running VM fusion as a great development system. Sorry to hear you have been so unhappy with yours.
No VMs running, I'm on pure Mac OSX. Part of the reason that I agreed to go Mac was to force myself to use it and learn it. There are upsides, it's not all negative, the screen is great, the sound is good, the keyboard is pretty nice, the plugs that ARE there are solid (other than the power), I've come to like the trackpad once getting used to it and I really like how easily I can switch between full screen running processes. As I become less of a noob and more of a power user (more I said, I'm not by any stretch) it definitely improves but after six months on it, I don't feel like it's an easy to use system, just easier.
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@JaredBusch said:
That's how I would design it. For reasons, we don't handle it that way.
- 13 hour plane flights.
- No access to the internet for other reasons
- the remote site has no internet access
- no/less lag when typing quickly.
Those are all pretty big. And mostly that covers it. Especially for me, traveling and having flaky Internet is a big deal. Or when I do, there is lag as it is from Europe to the US.
I think, though, after this cycle, that I've shown that I could do everything that I need with the MBA. So I hope to switch at some point.
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@s.hackleman said:
Let me get this helmet on, and a fire suit... Ok..
I have been really happy with my Macbook Pro...
Go ahead, let me have it.
I don't have a problem with the per se. other than them calling it a Macbook Pro when there is no longer anything professional about them. Apple has ditched the creative professional world thinking they could make more if they consumerized it. Yet, they have left the word "pro" on all the stuff they consumerized. a lot of people have been switching to windows from mac in the professional world.
The Kept Macbook "Pro" - Not a thing is any longer upgradable
Mac "Pro" again just the ram is upgradable. No PCIe slots, external bays cost $3,000+ for cards.
Final Cut "Pro" a consumerized more advanced iMovie, more akin to Adobe's "Elements" type software.Sad thing is the pro market used to be their primary user base.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Again, not a programmer but...
What's wrong with using those resources remotely so that the laptop becomes just an interface to do the work? A more reliable desktop/server with far better performance so that programming goes quicker surely is the way to go?
Licensing in some cases.
Also you don't have internet connections everywhere. -
@dafyre said:
If you like Acer, I've got an Acer V3 17.3" Laptop. (16g RAM, Nvidia umm... something or another w/4GB RAM). It works really nicely or playing games. Skyrim runs on Max settings without batting an eye.
I'm not sure about the CUDA stuff, but it does really nicely when ripping my DVDs to MP4 or ISO. It was about $1,300 with a square trade warranty and all.
I actually looked that those, but they seem hard to come buy. there were a couple on ebay, and one was from a guy with zero feeback so I passed. Looks nice for the price though.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
http://www.adkvideoediting.com/laptop.asp
See you already bought one, but maybe this is one to stash for next time.
Its over $3,000 for the same configuration (with smaller data drive as well). Never heard of them either so that would scare me away.
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@thecreativeone91 It's been a good laptop so far. No issues with it during my gaming sessions... Right now, I'm playing Older titles, such as ME2 and Vanilla WoW. But when I do video work on it, it rocks!
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@thecreativeone91 So because something is not upgradeable it is not professional? I use my Macbook as a development system with multiple running VM's. I need the extra hardware and performance that "Guy McDudebro" would not. That is why I carry a Macbook Pro VS a standard Macbook. The entire point of the Mac Platform is to allow you to be more creative because hardware issues are minimized because of standardization and the removal of low end hardware. There is no cheap underperforming barely have enough specs to survive systems that I have to work around. I know that if I write something native, and it preforms on a spec device, it will preform on all devices in service. Lastly, yeah, Final Cut did go to crap, but I wasn't a fan before it did either.
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@s.hackleman said:
@thecreativeone91 So because something is not upgradeable it is not professional? I use my Macbook as a development system with multiple running VM's. I need the extra hardware and performance that "Guy McDudebro" would not. That is why I carry a Macbook Pro VS a standard Macbook. The entire point of the Mac Platform is to allow you to be more creative because hardware issues are minimized because of standardization and the removal of low end hardware. There is no cheap underperforming barely have enough specs to survive systems that I have to work around. I know that if I write something native, and it preforms on a spec device, it will preform on all devices in service. Lastly, yeah, Final Cut did go to crap, but I wasn't a fan before it did either.
How is a professional laptop, that only have 4GB of ram professional?
And yes, the Mac Pro is not a professional workstation anymore, it's a Mac Mini with better specs. Thunderbolt for everything. They essentially dropped support for films shot on the RED Cameras (and many other cameras) as you can no longer put the rendering engine in your computer.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@s.hackleman said:
@thecreativeone91 So because something is not upgradeable it is not professional? I use my Macbook as a development system with multiple running VM's. I need the extra hardware and performance that "Guy McDudebro" would not. That is why I carry a Macbook Pro VS a standard Macbook. The entire point of the Mac Platform is to allow you to be more creative because hardware issues are minimized because of standardization and the removal of low end hardware. There is no cheap underperforming barely have enough specs to survive systems that I have to work around. I know that if I write something native, and it preforms on a spec device, it will preform on all devices in service. Lastly, yeah, Final Cut did go to crap, but I wasn't a fan before it did either.
How is a professional laptop, that only have 4GB of ram professional?
And yes, the Mac Pro is not a professional workstation anymore, it's a Mac Mini with better specs. Thunderbolt for everything. They essentially dropped support for films shot on the RED Cameras (and many other cameras) as you can no longer put the rendering engine in your computer.
- The one I am using to type this has 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
- You are trying to make an edge case a primary case.
- I've gave my opinion, and I will not argue further. You are entitled to your opinion as well.
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@s.hackleman said:
- You are trying to make an edge case a primary case.
How is than an Edge case? The video production world is what allowed Apple to become what it was, RED and Arri are the two most popular cameras, and you use these engines when editing. Apple has basically said, even with the development is Yosemite that they are making it more consumerized. They'd rather make more sales, lower priced sales. , than good higher prices sales.
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I have 16gb ram in one and 8gb in the other.
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The Macbook Pro's come is as low as 4GB and max at 16GB, They also only use Intel HD 5000/6000 graphics. Neither of which are professional. There nothing that really makes them Professional over a standard windows laptop, other than the name, and maybe some windows laptops won't have an SSD.
I used to only use Mabook Pros and had Mac Pro's but apple has changed their product and intended user base a lot.
