Job offer
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Here's some other things I see as possible red flags.
- The position has been open for more than 30 days according to Indeed. Maybe because of the travel requirement? IDK.
- There wasn't much of an interview when I interviewed with the Director and Senior engineer. I actually did not expect an offer when HR gave me a call the following day. Interview was them telling me about the position and company, and me telling them about my experience.
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Here's some other things I see as possible red flags.
- The position has been open for more than 30 days according to Indeed. Maybe because of the travel requirement? IDK.
- There wasn't much of an interview when I interviewed with the Director and Senior engineer. I actually did not expect an offer when HR gave me a call the following day. Interview was them telling me about the position and company, and me telling them about my experience.
I would take this offer in your position.
If it does turn out to be a lot of bench work, you will also have a lot of travel time to read/study on more azure/aws and improve your next jump to a new place.
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The tech recruiting company will pay 25/hour , no paid days off,
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+~$6.00 an hour.I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
32% not including the overtime.
On average I get anywhere from 5-10 a pay period for on call
So $25/hr @ New Job - 6$/hr (more than current job) = $19/hr @ Current Job
OT = $28.50/hr ($19*1.5) @ Current Job
5-10 hrs/week in OT; let's use 7.5hrs/wk @ Current Job
7.5hrs/wk = $213.75/wk in OT @ Current Job
$213.75/wk ÷ 40hrs/wk = $5.34/hr in OT at Current JobThe new job ($25/hr) without any possibility of OT is almost exactly the same wage as the current job with OT ($24.34/hr).
This is a 2.5% increase in pay.Not worth the risk.
I like his idea of staying put and continuing the job search.
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@jaredbusch said in Job offer:
I would take this offer in your position.
If it does turn out to be a lot of bench work, you will also have a lot of travel time to read/study on more azure/aws and improve your next jump to a new place.I agree. My wife was actually telling me the same thing before you posted this. lol.
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Well, I guess this was a fake job. I was notified this morning that the IT director has decided to retract the offer, and has decided to reevaluate the needs in his group and has postponed hiring for this position. It was weird how HR kept staling on giving me additional information, and the fact she told me they don't do an actually letter, and I would be signing on my first day of employment. Lesson learned on my end.
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I always sign offer and wait for background check, drug screen, etc BEFORE I put my notice in
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I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
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I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
Yeah, as I am sure others have said - never resign until the new job is in the bag. Offer made, signed, confirmed receipt and start date, references checked.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Let's see if @scottalanmiller will split the topic into it's own.
As for the situation - yeah definitely sounds like Benchwork as Scott likes to call it. Scott's mentioned that he's seem some bench techs pull in 120K+, assuming that's still the case - at least there would be a potential to grow in this direction.
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
Yes, but only in huge enterprise financial datacenters so you'd always have a physical location need like NYC or San Fran.
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@jimmy9008 said in Job offer:
I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
Yeah, as I am sure others have said - never resign until the new job is in the bag. Offer made, signed, confirmed receipt and start date, references checked.
I once had a job rescind their offer AFTER I had started working. The person I was supposed to replace had just "shown back up" after having quit and they decided they wanted to keep him so they just acted like they never made me an offer. I had relocated for the job. The VP just claimed that the hiring manager didn't have the authority to hire and that they were sorry for the fake offer but good luck getting paid for even the day that I worked, let alone anything else.
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I always sign offer and wait for background check, drug screen, etc BEFORE I put my notice in
Heck yeah. Everything has to be totally finalized before I'll consider it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@jimmy9008 said in Job offer:
I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
Yeah, as I am sure others have said - never resign until the new job is in the bag. Offer made, signed, confirmed receipt and start date, references checked.
I once had a job rescind their offer AFTER I had started working. The person I was supposed to replace had just "shown back up" after having quit and they decided they wanted to keep him so they just acted like they never made me an offer. I had relocated for the job. The VP just claimed that the hiring manager didn't have the authority to hire and that they were sorry for the fake offer but good luck getting paid for even the day that I worked, let alone anything else.
Damn! What happened? Did you just have to take the loss?
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Let's see if @scottalanmiller will split the topic into it's own.
As for the situation - yeah definitely sounds like Benchwork as Scott likes to call it. Scott's mentioned that he's seem some bench techs pull in 120K+, assuming that's still the case - at least there would be a potential to grow in this direction.
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
Yes, but only in huge enterprise financial datacenters so you'd always have a physical location need like NYC or San Fran.
In otherwords - so rare a position as to not even bother mentioning them because no one you will ever know (unless you're scott) will know one of these people
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@jimmy9008 said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@jimmy9008 said in Job offer:
I had to retract my resignation, which they were happy I wasn’t leaving yet. I guess I got too confident, and jumped the gun. Also, I was planning on taking a week off after my departure before I start the new position.
Yeah, as I am sure others have said - never resign until the new job is in the bag. Offer made, signed, confirmed receipt and start date, references checked.
I once had a job rescind their offer AFTER I had started working. The person I was supposed to replace had just "shown back up" after having quit and they decided they wanted to keep him so they just acted like they never made me an offer. I had relocated for the job. The VP just claimed that the hiring manager didn't have the authority to hire and that they were sorry for the fake offer but good luck getting paid for even the day that I worked, let alone anything else.
Damn! What happened? Did you just have to take the loss?
Yeah, suing over that stuff is VERY hard and they had good excuses lined up. Instead of paying me, they'd have just sued the hiring manager and blamed him personally.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Let's see if @scottalanmiller will split the topic into it's own.
As for the situation - yeah definitely sounds like Benchwork as Scott likes to call it. Scott's mentioned that he's seem some bench techs pull in 120K+, assuming that's still the case - at least there would be a potential to grow in this direction.
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
Yes, but only in huge enterprise financial datacenters so you'd always have a physical location need like NYC or San Fran.
In otherwords - so rare a position as to not even bother mentioning them because no one you will ever know (unless you're scott) will know one of these people
It's not rare, it's the singular goal of working in that industry. Bench has two main groups of workers... the people at Best Buy and the people in enterprise datacenters. That's it. You either get into that field to be a local "plug stuff in" guy, or to get into datacenters. That's it. It's definitely the elite part of the field, but if you want to make ANY money, you'll make a LOT of money.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
I always sign offer and wait for background check, drug screen, etc BEFORE I put my notice in
Heck yeah. Everything has to be totally finalized before I'll consider it.
Well, I got another offer from a different company. Same pay range. System Admin role, so I'll be managing/maintaining all their systems. First system admin role. Pretty excited about this one as it's exactly what I've been looking for. And I got an actual offer this time. Submitted drug test and background check today, and signed the offer. Once it's validated, then I will let my current employer know. I would hate to retract 2 resignations. lol.
