Hypervisors: revisit your choices!
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Well I'm probably naive but i took it to mean that hypervisor=toolbox in this scenario. Add tools as needed. Hyper-v works but I also prefer kvm. I read a book a few months ago on it and worked through the multitude of exercises in it and its a lot more powerful than I realized. Also, this doesn't have to be for a server either so that has to be taken into consideration. For example, I run kvm on all my 2 laptops and 1 desktop at home and on 2 machines at work. Use windows vm's when I need something from there.
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Hypervisors are commodities.
It's going to be other things besides the actual hypervisor that will determine what the best hypervisor is going to be. Like the ecosystem where the hypervisor will live and the software choices in that ecosystem that have already been made - technical debt if you will. And of course management of the infrastructure and risks, costs, policies, hardware etc.
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@Obsolesce said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
Exactly my point. It's entirely subjective, based on personal experience and expertise, etc., no basis behind the question.
How you read the original post & concluded with VPS is a head scratcher.
This thread is about choice of hypervisors.
Feel free to start your own thread about VPS's, if you prefer VPS's, good for you. -
@scottalanmiller said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
The best hammer is generally the best hammer, regardless of what you will be pounding.
Hehehe......
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@Obsolesce said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
Exactly my point.
You obviously cannot comprehend what you read because he was most certaily not agreeing with you or making your point for you.
Because your fucking point was to use VPS. Which has not a damned fucking thing to do with this discussion.
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@FATeknollogee said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
No Type 2 discussion here.
Was having a discussion with myself & just wondering out loud........
Tomorrow, if I was starting from scratch, I would use "........"
Started in 05/06 with Virtual Iron (VI got "swallowed" by Oracle).
then switched to Hyper-V (it was beta, back in the '06 timeframe).
Since then, I've also tried some XenServer, oVirt & ESXi.
Currently use KVM.Now back to that tomorrow statement....
For a standalone setup, my 1st choice would be KVM + Virt-Manager.
For a hyperconverged setup, my 1st choice would be VMware + VSAN.I'd never even bother with Hyper-V.
My first choice is KVM, but that said I never use it at a client.
Because I want tools for backups. So because of that need, I use Hyper-V and Veeam and such.
That said Veeam's pricing is changing. So I will now have to determine if the work to script/handle KVM backups myself is no longer a lot more expensive than using Hyper-V + Veeam.
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@JaredBusch said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@Obsolesce said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
Exactly my point.
You obviously cannot comprehend what you read because he was most certaily not agreeing with you or making your point for you.
Because your fucking point was to use VPS. Which has not a damned fucking thing to do with this discussion.
The VPS was definitely NOT the point of anything I said. Not the point at all. I specified the point several times, the VPS part wasn't my point.
I think it's you who fucking needs to fucking comprehend.
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@JaredBusch Couldn't have said this better myself. I received the email from Veeam about the increase too, but all my current licenses are good through Dec 2020.
If there was a good backup solution for KVM, I would have zero Hyper-V hosts. -
@brandon220 said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@JaredBusch Couldn't have said this better myself. I received the email from Veeam about the increase too, but all my current licenses are good through Dec 2020.
If there was a good backup solution for KVM, I would have zero Hyper-V hosts.I think I heard Vembu does this. I don't use anything like this though but may be worth a look.
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@jmoore said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@brandon220 said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@JaredBusch Couldn't have said this better myself. I received the email from Veeam about the increase too, but all my current licenses are good through Dec 2020.
If there was a good backup solution for KVM, I would have zero Hyper-V hosts.I think I heard Vembu does this. I don't use anything like this though but may be worth a look.
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@scottalanmiller Well ok, that looks promising for those who need that.
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@jmoore said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@scottalanmiller Well ok, that looks promising for those who need that.
Yeah but is it free or a 30 day trial?
There are two links to the same location, one which makes it look like it's free the other which clearly is not.
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@jmoore said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@scottalanmiller Well ok, that looks promising for those who need that.
Try finding a download, though. Doens't look all that promising once you look into it.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah its a starting point. Don't know if it will work how he wants it or not. I just remembered reading on a blog somewhere that it was being used.
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You should consider new comer LXD to the mix, especially if your just running Linux VMs.
Like everyone used it say nothing wrong in it, and fully featured and impressive it just not battle-tested as much as KVM, but still its very futuristic. I would go with KVM standalone and use RHEL or RHEL variant for it.
Check this also :
https://mangolassi.it/topic/20917/spin-vms-quickly-with-kvm-virt-sysprep/ -
@jmoore I want to know which book I need to check it out
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@krisleslie said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@jmoore I want to know which book I need to check it out
This one here.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/178829467X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I had trouble with a few of the exercises but not many. I'm sure there are more current things now too but this was a starting point for me and I plan to do more someday. It did give me a really good idea of how things work in the background. I'm a book person too, I went over every example. -
@jmoore said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@krisleslie said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
@jmoore I want to know which book I need to check it out
This one here.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/178829467X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I had trouble with a few of the exercises but not many. I'm sure there are more current things now too but this was a starting point for me and I plan to do more someday. It did give me a really good idea of how things work in the background. I'm a book person too, I went over every example.https://www.packtpub.com/virtualization-and-cloud/kvm-virtualization-cookbook
$44.99 comes with print and ebook. -
One downside to KVM (in virt-manager) is lack of snapshots for UEFI VMs.
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@FATeknollogee said in Hypervisors: revisit your choices!:
One downside to KVM (in virt-manager) is lack of snapshots for UEFI VMs.
yes it is.
