Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
Easier is "Set up for an Organization" and choose a username. Ours would be Laptop Admin with the space and no password to avoid the questions.
Once logged on, CTRL+ALT+DEL and Change Password to set the new one. Note that the existing would be a blank.
Interesting - a blank password has it avoid the recovery questions... huh.
Yes.
But I believe when I tested it, you still had to fill out recovery once you added a password. Or maybe that was even adding a pssword non admin account. I lost track. -
@JaredBusch Once into the desktop the process I indicated does not kick the recovery question prompt. I don't even know where they are in Win10 since all of our systems are AD integrated or have an Admin and a Standard account for the user's day to day that we manage.
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@JaredBusch said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
Easier is "Set up for an Organization" and choose a username. Ours would be Laptop Admin with the space and no password to avoid the questions.
Once logged on, CTRL+ALT+DEL and Change Password to set the new one. Note that the existing would be a blank.
Interesting - a blank password has it avoid the recovery questions... huh.
Yes.
But I believe when I tested it, you still had to fill out recovery once you added a password. Or maybe that was even adding a pssword non admin account. I lost track.well - yeah - you would expect to do the recover IF you give it a password.
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I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.
I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.
I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?
If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.
Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.
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@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.
I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?
If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.
Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.
Interesting - didn't know that.
So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@PhlipElder said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
I use this guide to walk customers through setting up a machine nearly weekly.
I'm curious why you push them away from using a MS account?
If the machine is pulled in to Azure AD by signing in with a MS AAD account, one cannot use that account to RDP into that endpoint. Something be broken there.
Better to set up a local account and bind the Azure AD/MS Account in the OS settings.
Interesting - didn't know that.
So what - you setup a local account, then under that local account, join it to an MS AAD, then login as the MS AAD account? Then you can RDP into the computer using the MS AAD account?
Has to be the local account or domain user account to log on via RDP. [email protected] does not work.
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How about turning all your dumb shit off by default MS? Then people can turn it on if they want. No need to have all this bullshit on installation.
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@IRJ said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
How about turning all your dumb shit off by default MS? Then people can turn it on if they want. No need to have all this bullshit on installation.
I'll be the outsider here - for normal people, yes they should. For business use - you're right, all that shit should be off.. a bunch of it is... if you pay for the Enterprise version. So you get mega penalized by having to pay a ton more.
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@IRJ said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
How about turning all your dumb shit off by default MS? Then people can turn it on if they want. No need to have all this bullshit on installation.
I'll be the outsider here - for normal people, yes they should. For business use - you're right, all that shit should be off.. a bunch of it is... if you pay for the Enterprise version. So you get mega penalized by having to pay a ton more.
This should especially be off for home users. They have no one to protect them from this.
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@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@IRJ said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
How about turning all your dumb shit off by default MS? Then people can turn it on if they want. No need to have all this bullshit on installation.
I'll be the outsider here - for normal people, yes they should. For business use - you're right, all that shit should be off.. a bunch of it is... if you pay for the Enterprise version. So you get mega penalized by having to pay a ton more.
This should especially be off for home users. They have no one to protect them from this.
protect them from what? The idea here is to have people use the tools that MS provides (many of which are free), just like using a Chromebook taps you into all the google services.
What's the harm to someone who is not computer literate in using an MS account to log in?
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
protect them from what?
Predatory sales tactics. Microsoft is trying to force more services on them.
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
The idea here is to have people use the tools that MS provides (many of which are free), just like using a Chromebook taps you into all the google services.
"Many of which are free." But "none of which have value, unless you pay."
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@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
What's the harm to someone who is not computer literate in using an MS account to log in?
That they get tricked into thinking that they have to pay for all kinds of things, and losing control of their own computer because they can't understand the security model.
Social engineering, predatory behaviour.
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@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
protect them from what?
Predatory sales tactics. Microsoft is trying to force more services on them.
And Google is not?
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@JaredBusch said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
protect them from what?
Predatory sales tactics. Microsoft is trying to force more services on them.
And Google is not?
Google attempts to sell me nothing, and does not try to trick me when I go to set up a machine. Google isn't perfect, but is nothing like MS here.
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MS vs Google in this one situation...
Microsoft:
- Predatory, trying to force users into setting up confusing, unnecessary accounts to push sales.
- Set up the OS to use malware tactics to install unapproved software.
- Uses trickery and social engineering to get users to do what is against their interest.
- Breaks the known security model and puts users at risk who aren't experts.
- Adds no value through the system.
Google:
- Advertises that this is how ChromeOS works everywhere, super up front about it.
- Makes it clear and obvious what is happening.
- Does not push any malware or unapproved software through the mechanism.
- Adds value through free services.
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@JaredBusch said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
protect them from what?
Predatory sales tactics. Microsoft is trying to force more services on them.
And Google is not?
Thanks, you beat me to it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@JaredBusch said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
@Dashrender said in Installing Windows 10 without a Microcoft account:
protect them from what?
Predatory sales tactics. Microsoft is trying to force more services on them.
And Google is not?
Google attempts to sell me nothing, and does not try to trick me when I go to set up a machine. Google isn't perfect, but is nothing like MS here.
Oh this is not true - they try to get you to buy more Google storage when you run out, that's a minimum. no different than apple doing the same.
