Can Windows 7 Still Upgrade to Windows 10
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
It's valid for Windows. That's the point. And its in a wording about upgrades, which guarantees that the topic cannot be limited to a version. I showed this when I first posted it that MS made it clear.
Remember Windows 10 is not a version, it is a rebranding of Windows. A Windows 10 license = Windows license. Windows 7 and Windows 10 are not comparable topics.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
It's valid for Windows. That's the point. And its in a wording about upgrades, which guarantees that the topic cannot be limited to a version. I showed this when I first posted it that MS made it clear.
Remember Windows 10 is not a version, it is a rebranding of Windows. A Windows 10 license = Windows license. Windows 7 and Windows 10 are not comparable topics.
So I have a bunch of old NT 4.0 keys laying around, those are valid Windows 10 licenses? Because Windows is Windows?
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
It's valid for Windows. That's the point. And its in a wording about upgrades, which guarantees that the topic cannot be limited to a version. I showed this when I first posted it that MS made it clear.
Remember Windows 10 is not a version, it is a rebranding of Windows. A Windows 10 license = Windows license. Windows 7 and Windows 10 are not comparable topics.
So I have a bunch of old NT 4.0 keys laying around, those are valid Windows 10 licenses? Because Windows is Windows?
If MS accepted them, absolutely. 100%, no question. Microsoft has made it clear that if that situation arose and they approved it, that it woudl apply. They won't approve it, so that makes it moot.
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There is another problem that arises from this logic that I think shows why it can't be true...
If the Windows 10 EULA was referring to a version and couldn't be used for older versions... then it would also invalidate normal patching processes because the versions change during that the same as moving between Windows 7 and the 10 series. So if we feel that the EULA + Activation somehow invalidates upgrading from Windows 7, it must also invalidate Windows 10 upgrades within the Windows 10 series. This would mean that we have to buy Windows 10 fresh with every six month update.
If we don't feel that you need to do that, and that is the same as upgrading from Windows 7 (EULA + Activation) then why do we feel one is not okay and the other is okay
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I made a separate thread for tracking the specific piece on how the EULA refers exclusively to the older, non-Windows 10 branded versions as being valid when they are genuine.
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I have upgraded approx 20 Win7 Pro machines to Win10 Pro in the past couple of months - 2 last week in fact. They all accepted the Win 7 product key and show that Windows is activated with a digital license. Zero issues.
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@brandon220 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
I have upgraded approx 20 Win7 Pro machines to Win10 Pro in the past couple of months - 2 last week in fact. They all accepted the Win 7 product key and show that Windows is activated with a digital license. Zero issues.
Us too, we do it all of the time now that the end of Windows 7 is pending. But the argument isn't that the upgrade will work technically, what people are questioning is if the EULA allows it even though it is accepted. But from reading the EULA, it sure does.
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If you have a legitimate Windows 7 install on your device, and you upgrade to Windows 10 on that device, AND it activates. You're good to go.
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@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
If you have a legitimate Windows 7 install on your device, and you upgrade to Windows 10 on that device, AND it activates. You're good to go.
That sure seems to be the case. Every single legal document we've found thus far agrees. Plus it's just obviously what MS would want to do.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 dammit, you can't visit that page from Linux. It detects Linux and bans the page.
It still give an option to download an iso of Windows 10.
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@black3dynamite said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 dammit, you can't visit that page from Linux. It detects Linux and bans the page.
It still give an option to download an iso of Windows 10.
Yes, but the Linux page offers less explanation of the options and I wanted to read them all
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Great discussion, at some point we'll fork when things quiet down enough. Maybe not today. Don't want to lock it up.
I assume that it is this thread brought in nearly a thousand extra "unique users" for the day!
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Great discussion, at some point we'll fork when things quiet down enough. Maybe not today. Don't want to lock it up.
I assume that it is this thread brought in nearly a thousand extra "unique users" for the day!
Well at least 322 views from what I can see from the "recent topics" page there. . .
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@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Great discussion, at some point we'll fork when things quiet down enough. Maybe not today. Don't want to lock it up.
I assume that it is this thread brought in nearly a thousand extra "unique users" for the day!
Well at least 322 views from what I can see from the "recent topics" page there. . .
Views only get counted for specific operations. A single user coming in over and over again is still just one view, for example.
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Stepped away for a couple hours to do some on site support calls and Im so far behind I dont know if I'll be catching up on this thread. -
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@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Stepped away for a couple hours to do some on site support calls and Im so far behind I dont know if I'll be catching up on this thread. -
LOLDon't worry, the last ~200 posts are all about how you can still get Windows 10 for free, if you are properly licensed.
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@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Stepped away for a couple hours to do some on site support calls and Im so far behind I dont know if I'll be catching up on this thread. -
LOLDon't worry, the last ~200 posts are all about how you can still get Windows 10 for free, if you are properly licensed.
ah hence @scottalanmiller 's
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Great discussion, at some point we'll fork when things quiet down enough. Maybe not today. Don't want to lock it up.
I assume that it is this thread brought in nearly a thousand extra "unique users" for the day!
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@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Stepped away for a couple hours to do some on site support calls and Im so far behind I dont know if I'll be catching up on this thread. -
LOLDon't worry, the last ~200 posts are all about how you can still get Windows 10 for free, if you are properly licensed.
ah hence @scottalanmiller 's
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Great discussion, at some point we'll fork when things quiet down enough. Maybe not today. Don't want to lock it up.
I assume that it is this thread brought in nearly a thousand extra "unique users" for the day!
Yup
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
I know that some of our Windows 7 machines have, in the last few months, popped up the Windows 10 upgrade automatically, from MS. So I know for a fact that the upgrade is legal. But finding paperwork on it is the hard part. But the OS itself has listed Windows 10 as the "patch".
It would be interesting to know if that 'patch' would actually apply.
What I've seen (only posted on websites, not on my own), is that Windows 7 is prompting people to update because Win 7 is nearing EOL, nothing about getting a free upgrade. Not even sure it's actually giving them a way to upgrade.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Unless someone provides "in path" documentation that would supersede this, here is the section that makes the Windows 7 to Windows 10 upgrade fully legal (in conjunction with the MCT acquisition, the key verification, activation, etc. all being approved by MS)...
"Installation and Use Rights.
a. License. The software is licensed, not sold. Under this agreement, we grant you the right to install and run one instance of the software on your device (the licensed device), for use by one person at a time, so long as you comply with all the terms of this agreement. Updating or upgrading from non-genuine software with software from Microsoft or authorized sources does not make your original version or the updated/upgraded version genuine, and in that situation, you do not have a license to use the softwa"
Microsoft provides the license for use here. And stipulates how you could have violated it. Once you accept the EULA, and haven't tricked MS, they've legally agreed to its use. Seems really clear. And not just clear in general, but they even state that non-genuine keys that would trick it into accepting the install aren't valid, implying that genuine ones are.
What about that makes the upgrade legal? what words specifically?
