Can Windows 7 Still Upgrade to Windows 10
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
A Windows 7 key will work to upgrade and activate a Windows 10 upgrade.
This is because MS has no idea or way of knowing when that 7 key was bought. It knows when it was activated, I think they would keep record of that on their activation servers / databases. So if you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a prior activated Windows 7 key, you're good to go. If you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a non-prior acticated Windows 7 key AND, it was purchased prior to the Free Windows 10 deadline, I don't think you'd therefore be licensed.... though I haven't done much reading on that.
Yes dude, thank you!
While he has some points, why do you feel that they apply to the discussion? When Windows 7 was purchased has never come into the discussion before.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
You are only refuting something different than we are discussing. Refute what I said, which has an "and" in it. For an "and" to be true, it can only be proven as untrue in whole, not in part. You are looking solely at a very different thing.
I'm done. You win. I haven't done this in 4 years, it's not even relevant to me anymore. You can't understand what I'm saying and I give up lol
Because you keep refuting something completely different than I've said. I said very, very clearly that both the EULA has to be honored, and then the activation was meaningful. And then every time you refute it by using an example where the EULA is not honored, which means you aren't even discussing anything I've discussed.
Those are wholly unrelated scenarios. Nothing that happens with activation when the EULA isn't valid has any applicability to the situation.
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@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
If you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a non-prior acticated Windows 7 key AND, it was purchased prior to the Free Windows 10 deadline, I don't think you'd therefore be licensed.... though I haven't done much reading on that.
That's up to MS to determine. They have all of the information, and they used to say it didn't count. But that is up to them. They know all of the information and you query them to see what the licensing situation is. As long as your key is valid, their activation is the "source" of truth here.
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The activation servers have always been very liberal and block things constantly. So even if they don't activate you, you have about a 95% chance that calling in and talking through the situation with MS will have them verify it. Just don't lie and you are all set. MS themselves have stated that you can call in and get it verified.
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I really don't see how this is difficult to grasps.
Using my example from a long time ago, a cracked copy of Windows 7, was prompted to update to Windows 10 for free. the EULA wasn't being honored, but MS can't tell that from the details they get.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
You are only refuting something different than we are discussing. Refute what I said, which has an "and" in it. For an "and" to be true, it can only be proven as untrue in whole, not in part. You are looking solely at a very different thing.
I'm done. You win. I haven't done this in 4 years, it's not even relevant to me anymore. You can't understand what I'm saying and I give up lol
Because you keep refuting something completely different than I've said. I said very, very clearly that both the EULA has to be honored, and then the activation was meaningful. And then every time you refute it by using an example where the EULA is not honored, which means you aren't even discussing anything I've discussed.
Those are wholly unrelated scenarios. Nothing that happens with activation when the EULA isn't valid has any applicability to the situation.
Because I don't see anywhere in the Windows 10 EULA that says a valid Windows 7, 8, 8.1 license makes your Windows 10 license valid. Nowhere does it say Windows 7 license = Windows 10 license.
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
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It's on the user to adhere and comply with the EULA and activation ToC to be compliant and thus not put themselves at risk of being sued.
Skipping either or circumventing either makes it not legal and gives MS a means of restitution.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
The activation servers have always been very liberal and block things constantly. So even if they don't activate you, you have about a 95% chance that calling in and talking through the situation with MS will have them verify it. Just don't lie and you are all set. MS themselves have stated that you can call in and get it verified.
This has worked for me in the past too.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
It's valid for Windows. That's the point. And its in a wording about upgrades, which guarantees that the topic cannot be limited to a version. I showed this when I first posted it that MS made it clear.
Remember Windows 10 is not a version, it is a rebranding of Windows. A Windows 10 license = Windows license. Windows 7 and Windows 10 are not comparable topics.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
It's valid for Windows. That's the point. And its in a wording about upgrades, which guarantees that the topic cannot be limited to a version. I showed this when I first posted it that MS made it clear.
Remember Windows 10 is not a version, it is a rebranding of Windows. A Windows 10 license = Windows license. Windows 7 and Windows 10 are not comparable topics.
So I have a bunch of old NT 4.0 keys laying around, those are valid Windows 10 licenses? Because Windows is Windows?
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
It's valid for Windows. That's the point. And its in a wording about upgrades, which guarantees that the topic cannot be limited to a version. I showed this when I first posted it that MS made it clear.
Remember Windows 10 is not a version, it is a rebranding of Windows. A Windows 10 license = Windows license. Windows 7 and Windows 10 are not comparable topics.
So I have a bunch of old NT 4.0 keys laying around, those are valid Windows 10 licenses? Because Windows is Windows?
If MS accepted them, absolutely. 100%, no question. Microsoft has made it clear that if that situation arose and they approved it, that it woudl apply. They won't approve it, so that makes it moot.
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There is another problem that arises from this logic that I think shows why it can't be true...
If the Windows 10 EULA was referring to a version and couldn't be used for older versions... then it would also invalidate normal patching processes because the versions change during that the same as moving between Windows 7 and the 10 series. So if we feel that the EULA + Activation somehow invalidates upgrading from Windows 7, it must also invalidate Windows 10 upgrades within the Windows 10 series. This would mean that we have to buy Windows 10 fresh with every six month update.
If we don't feel that you need to do that, and that is the same as upgrading from Windows 7 (EULA + Activation) then why do we feel one is not okay and the other is okay
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I made a separate thread for tracking the specific piece on how the EULA refers exclusively to the older, non-Windows 10 branded versions as being valid when they are genuine.
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I have upgraded approx 20 Win7 Pro machines to Win10 Pro in the past couple of months - 2 last week in fact. They all accepted the Win 7 product key and show that Windows is activated with a digital license. Zero issues.
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@brandon220 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
I have upgraded approx 20 Win7 Pro machines to Win10 Pro in the past couple of months - 2 last week in fact. They all accepted the Win 7 product key and show that Windows is activated with a digital license. Zero issues.
Us too, we do it all of the time now that the end of Windows 7 is pending. But the argument isn't that the upgrade will work technically, what people are questioning is if the EULA allows it even though it is accepted. But from reading the EULA, it sure does.
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If you have a legitimate Windows 7 install on your device, and you upgrade to Windows 10 on that device, AND it activates. You're good to go.
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@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
If you have a legitimate Windows 7 install on your device, and you upgrade to Windows 10 on that device, AND it activates. You're good to go.
That sure seems to be the case. Every single legal document we've found thus far agrees. Plus it's just obviously what MS would want to do.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 dammit, you can't visit that page from Linux. It detects Linux and bans the page.
It still give an option to download an iso of Windows 10.
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@black3dynamite said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 dammit, you can't visit that page from Linux. It detects Linux and bans the page.
It still give an option to download an iso of Windows 10.
Yes, but the Linux page offers less explanation of the options and I wanted to read them all
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Great discussion, at some point we'll fork when things quiet down enough. Maybe not today. Don't want to lock it up.
I assume that it is this thread brought in nearly a thousand extra "unique users" for the day!
