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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
SOmething that I never noticed: "Extended Support is not available for consumer, consumer hardware, or multimedia products"
Windows 7 Home and on anything deemed consumer hardware went out of all support years ago. Only Pro versions on "business class hardware" has extended support at all.
I didn't know that either. As mentioned in another thread we never used home editions on the other hand.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Of important note, modern hardware is not supported by Windows 7. Windows 10 supports old hardware, but Windows 7 doesn't support current. If hardware was to fail, their setup would not have a supported path forward without grabbing old hardware.
Well, there is actually a lot of old hardware that's not supported by windows 10.
Usually because the manufacturer just decided to not provide drivers anymore and suggest you upgrade the hardware to something newer. The old planned obsolescence routine
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@Pete-S said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
SOmething that I never noticed: "Extended Support is not available for consumer, consumer hardware, or multimedia products"
Windows 7 Home and on anything deemed consumer hardware went out of all support years ago. Only Pro versions on "business class hardware" has extended support at all.
I didn't know that either. As mentioned in another thread we never used home editions on the other hand.
We use them a lot, but we are very big on continuous updates so that things are never old at all on the software end.
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Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
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@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.
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@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.
The question was more posed to the other posters pushing the "Windows 10 upgrade is the only ethical and correct solution"
I know what your company would do lol that was clearly stated a hundred times :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
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@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.
and if that didn't work then I'd have to rely soley on FM to fix it.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.
The question was more posed to the other posters pushing the "Windows 10 upgrade is the only ethical and correct solution"
I know what your company would do lol that was clearly stated a hundred times :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
the is the same question My boss asked me while we were having this discussion yesterday.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.
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@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
Not the site. The problem is politically they only upgrade sites, not machines. But only the machine would be needed for the fix in this case. Although because the problem exists across several machines, it might mean that Windows 7 isn't working in this case.
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@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.
and if that didn't work then I'd have to rely soley on FM to fix it.
If that were true, then you can solely rely on the FM already. If that is the case, what's your role? Going to Windows 10 takes away no future options.
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@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.
The question was more posed to the other posters pushing the "Windows 10 upgrade is the only ethical and correct solution"
I know what your company would do lol that was clearly stated a hundred times :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
the is the same question My boss asked me while we were having this discussion yesterday.
Given that you know that staying on Windows 7 hasn't fixed the issue on other machines as it keeps coming back, did you ask the inverse? How does simply ignoring the issue resolve it?
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.
The question was more posed to the other posters pushing the "Windows 10 upgrade is the only ethical and correct solution"
I know what your company would do lol that was clearly stated a hundred times :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
the is the same question My boss asked me while we were having this discussion yesterday.
Given that you know that staying on Windows 7 hasn't fixed the issue on other machines as it keeps coming back, did you ask the inverse? How does simply ignoring the issue resolve it?
No I didn't.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10
Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?
new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.
The question was more posed to the other posters pushing the "Windows 10 upgrade is the only ethical and correct solution"
I know what your company would do lol that was clearly stated a hundred times :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
the is the same question My boss asked me while we were having this discussion yesterday.
Given that you know that staying on Windows 7 hasn't fixed the issue on other machines as it keeps coming back, did you ask the inverse? How does simply ignoring the issue resolve it?
Why are you asking @WrCombs to put his neck on the line. His boss has clearly stated that he doesn't want @WrCombs finding solutions instead of just being billable doing the same things over and over.
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@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.
Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.
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@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.
Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.
but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.
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@Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...
THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.
Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.
but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.
This is news to us, as far as we've been made aware, sites never get upgraded unless the client is paying for the most current Aloha, purchasing new servers (why), and terminals.
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@Dashrender it makes sense, this way everything is uniform, but that has yet to have been declared in any of these posts as far as I can recall.
The trouble is that the client is having an issue, one that could be remedied by upgrading (possibly). And @WrCombs and his boss has no way to really get the client to pay for that upgrade, without having tested it out.
So the issue is a shit-sandwich that everyone has to take a large bite out of.
