Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?
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Ok wow. Well that clears up that I DONT WANT to run Win Server...
The issue is really Blue Iris. It decodes the H.264 byte stream. It doesn’t play well with Nvidia so it’s recommended to run it bare metal and let the Intel CPU and Quick Sync handle that. The folks that are running Win 10 or Server bare metal and then connected all their cameras to that I guess aren’t in proper licensing.
I guess I can look at some other VMS options. I know that NX Witness can run on Ubuntu so I could install Hyper-V core and run an Ubuntu VM for that. It’s just costly since NX Witness chargers per camera for licensing.
Having to think about it some more... Thanks for the suggestions guys. I knew I could count on advice here.
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@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I guess I can look at some other VMS options.
Here's a couple of open source options.
https://zoneminder.com/
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@black3dynamite said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
I guess I can look at some other VMS options.
Here's a couple of open source options.
https://zoneminder.com/
https://kerberos.io/Zoneminder is pretty bad. It very antiquated. But I’ve never tried Kerbos. I’ll check it out. Thanks!
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I’m guessing that cameras are like Unifi APs, they are the clients reaching out to the server software running in the closet. Therefore, I’m guessing that windows 10 would be legal to use.
Scott?
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@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
It's just not efficient to have the camera do h264, decode that with B.I into raw video and then have B.I reencode that into h264 again.
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@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
Maybe you can’t view it in real-time with out the decoding?
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As far as your remote access, why not use a VPN from your firewall? A $60 ER-X can do that for you.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
Maybe you can’t view it in real-time with out the decoding?
All browsers can show h264 streams directly.
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@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
Maybe you can’t view it in real-time with out the decoding?
All browsers can show h264 stream directly.
I don’t know boo about BI, but assuming it’s a security camera type software that can show 12 (blah blah number) of cameras, I’m guessing the desire would be to have that multi camera view up at most times, so that’s not browser based, but again I don’t know boo about BI.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
Maybe you can’t view it in real-time with out the decoding?
All browsers can show h264 stream directly.
I don’t know boo about BI, but assuming it’s a security camera type software that can show 12 (blah blah number) of cameras, I’m guessing the desire would be to have that multi camera view up at most times, so that’s not browser based, but again I don’t know boo about BI.
You mean it reencodes all cameras into one big stream? It's possible but I doubt it. I don't know anything about it but have worked with ip cams and Axis in the past. If you have for instance 4 ip cams on the screen there will be 4 streams.
Most ip cams can send several streams so you could have a low bandwidth and a high bandwidth stream from the camera at the same time. So you can use one for viewing and the other for storage.
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Why not just use Ubiquiti cameras and nvr?.
Professional equipment and software to back it up with a server backend you're already familiar with.
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@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
Maybe you can’t view it in real-time with out the decoding?
All browsers can show h264 streams directly.
This brings another question.... the OPsaid BI require direct hardware access and sync something ( on my phone, hard to lookup when posting) , if that’s true and running that inside a VM kills the CPU, why would decoding in a browser not also kill the CPU in that same VM?
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@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
It's just not efficient to have the camera do h264, decode that with B.I into raw video and then have B.I reencode that into h264 again.
So CPU usage isn’t bad when no one is viewing via the Web GUI. On my test VM (gave it 2 cores) two cams with direct to disk recording were using about 50% of one core on an i3 Ivy Bridge (2C/4T). I was simply going to head to eBay and pickup an i7 4c/8t Ivy Bridge, drop it in, and off I go. But viewing the cams kills the CPU without Quick Sync being used. I opened two Web GUI streams of Blue Iris on two different computer and all of a sudden both cores of the VM were pegged at 100% and it became unresponsive. It’s the viewing the cams using the Blue Iris web GUI that kills it. The recording isn’t too bad.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
Maybe you can’t view it in real-time with out the decoding?
All browsers can show h264 streams directly.
This brings another question.... the OPsaid BI require direct hardware access and sync something ( on my phone, hard to lookup when posting) , if that’s true and running that inside a VM kills the CPU, why would decoding in a browser not also kill the CPU in that same VM?
Because all low powered clients decode h264 in hardware and decoding is cheap. However B.I. both decodes and reencodes which is much more expensive in CPU power.
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@biggen said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
That said, I don't understand why Blue Iris has to decode the h264 streams.
I'd like to get back to my earlier question. I think something is wrong with the Blue Iris setup.
Why does Blue Iris need to decode the H264 stream? Axis cameras already encode H264 and you save that to disk. The setting is called Direct-to-disc in Blue Iris.
According to B.I. website you won't get image overlay with camera name and time but who cares about that when the ip cam does that already by itself.
It's just not efficient to have the camera do h264, decode that with B.I into raw video and then have B.I reencode that into h264 again.
So CPU usage isn’t bad when no one is viewing via the Web GUI. On my test VM (gave it 2 cores) two cams with direct to disk recording were using about 50% of one core on an i3 Ivy Bridge (2C/4T). I was simply going to head to eBay and pickup an i7 4c/8t Ivy Bridge, drop it in, and off I go. But viewing the cams kills the CPU without Quick Sync being used. I opened two Web GUI streams of Blue Iris on two different computer and all of a sudden both cores of the VM were pegged at 100% and it became unresponsive. It’s the viewing the cams using the Blue Iris web GUI that kills it. The recording isn’t too bad.
That's interesting. Then it has to be what @Dashrender suggested - a reencoding of the h264 stream for viewing.
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Yeah I see that now with his last post... it’s when he has to re encode for client viewing that kills his system...
So that sync thing is supposed to use hardware encoding.... is anyone sure that any hypervisor passes those calls along? Sounds like XS doesn’t.
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@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Yeah I see that now with his last post... it’s when he has to re encode for client viewing that kills his system...
So that sync thing is supposed to use hardware encoding.... is anyone sure that any hypervisor passes those calls along? Sounds like XS doesn’t.
I think the quick sync question has been up here before. Now that I think about it, I think it's a CPU feature so it cannot be passed through hence no hypervisors can do it.
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It's probably so that B.I reencodes for mobile clients and other low bandwidth users.
If you are running on the LAN you should be able to take the streams as they are.
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@Pete-S said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
@Dashrender said in Do I need to run AD if I install Server 2019?:
Yeah I see that now with his last post... it’s when he has to re encode for client viewing that kills his system...
So that sync thing is supposed to use hardware encoding.... is anyone sure that any hypervisor passes those calls along? Sounds like XS doesn’t.
I think the quick sync question has been up here before. Now that I think about it, I think it's a CPU feature so it cannot be passed through hence no hypervisors can do it.
It was back in December 208. Here is the post
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@Pete-S I don't think it's possible to disable it. In the web gui you can control fps, quality, compression etc... If I turn quality to 100% and compression off it actually makes the CPU usage go up on the VM not down.
I've looked into passing QS through but it's a PITA. And you lose gui on the physical server (which doesn't matter anyway).
Blue Iris just isn't designed for VM usage. Its built to be used in single physical machine. Goes against everything I've read for best practices.
